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    • juno-eclipse
    • By juno-eclipse 14th Apr 09, 12:10 AM
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    Do banks have to accept change?
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    • 14th Apr 09, 12:10 AM
    Do banks have to accept change? 14th Apr 09 at 12:10 AM
    Just been having a discussion with my partner, i needed to pay some money into my account so buy something of the internet with my card, and i emptied the change in my pocket and a few jars and the bank refused to accept the change, and he said by law they have to accept it whether its baged up in pounds or not, so just wondering is this true?

    Thanks alot.
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  • agsnu
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    • 14th Apr 09, 12:18 AM
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    • 14th Apr 09, 12:18 AM
    No, it's not true.
    • jonesMUFCforever
    • By jonesMUFCforever 14th Apr 09, 12:21 AM
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    • 14th Apr 09, 12:21 AM
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    • 14th Apr 09, 12:21 AM
    No they do not. Each bank will have its own rules but change must be bagged and counted before you appear at the counter.
    If you don't do this how would you feel if you were the next customer having to queue because of you?

    If you don't want to count it why collect it?
    Find a coin counter - but they will take a cut out of your money.
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  • Extant
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    • 14th Apr 09, 1:33 AM
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    • 14th Apr 09, 1:33 AM
    Banks aren't obliged to accept anything they don't want to.

    If you went to the Bank of England, then yes, they would be obliged to accept your money. A high street bank, though? No.
    What would William Shatner do?
  • So Sad Angel
    • #5
    • 14th Apr 09, 1:57 AM
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    • 14th Apr 09, 1:57 AM
    Unless you take it in ready bagged in the correct denominations of course....with the paying in slip all correctly completed etc etc

    ....just to save the cashier any unecessary work!!....in my day as a cashier we had to count the money by hand! ...but then counter terminals/electronic scales had`nt been invented either!

  • Inactive
    • #6
    • 14th Apr 09, 1:57 AM
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    • 14th Apr 09, 1:57 AM
    Banks aren't obliged to accept anything they don't want to.
    Originally posted by BarclaysManager

    Not quite true BM, the banks have all been forced to accept quite a lot of " change " just recently.
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    • 14th Apr 09, 2:05 AM
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    • 14th Apr 09, 2:05 AM
    Not quite true BM, the banks have all been forced to accept quite a lot of " change " just recently.
    Originally posted by Inactive
    (Insert contextually irrelevant retort here.)
    What would William Shatner do?
    • PinkPig
    • By PinkPig 14th Apr 09, 7:06 AM
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    • 14th Apr 09, 7:06 AM
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    • 14th Apr 09, 7:06 AM
    Exactly as people have said, there's no legal obligation for them to accept change. If you want to pay in change your options are:

    1) Find a coin counting machine - these are often found in supermarkets where they take a cut of the money (I think 7% of so), and also apparently in some branches of HSBC where they don't charge.

    2) Ask the bank for some money bags and count it out properly yourself. You have to pay in a complete bag of the same type of coin - the amount that makes up a complete bag is shown on the side of the bag. It's 1 for 1p or 2p, 5 for 10p or 5p, 10 for 50p or 20p and 20 for 1 or 2. You can then fill in a paying in slip as you would for any other deposit.

    Although there are some things that banks do that do irritate me I don't think it's particularly unreasonable not to accept money in jam jars - counting it really would take forever, hold up the queue and annoy other customers. When you're paying in complete bags they don't count anything - they just weigh the bags.
  • NBE
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    • 14th Apr 09, 11:00 AM
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    • 14th Apr 09, 11:00 AM
    You have to pay in a complete bag of the same type of coin - the amount that makes up a complete bag is shown on the side of the bag. It's 1 for 1p or 2p, 5 for 10p or 5p, 10 for 50p or 20p and 20 for 1 or 2.
    Originally posted by PinkPig
    That's not true, you don't have to have a completely full bag to pay it in, just as long as its not overfull and there is no mixed coin. I regularly pay in bags of change with less than the maximum in.
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  • kelloggs36
    But they don't accept lots of the full bags either - many banks have a limit of no more than 5 at a time!
  • ShelfStacker
    As BM said, banks don't have to accept anything they don't particularly want to. We'll accept any amount of anything within reason so long as it's being paid into an account or you're a customer.

    It's mainly Halifax, Alliance and Leicester and the other ex-building societies who won't accept bagged coin, and Nationwide apparently won't accept random odd pieces of coin. Lesson to be learned: If you want a bank, use a real one.
    • olly300
    • By olly300 14th Apr 09, 7:42 PM
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    It's mainly Halifax, Alliance and Leicester and the other ex-building societies who won't accept bagged coin, and Nationwide apparently won't accept random odd pieces of coin. Lesson to be learned: If you want a bank, use a real one.
    Originally posted by ShelfStacker
    The Nationwide is a building society not a bank and don't pretend to be one.
    I'm not cynical I'm realistic

    (If a link I give opens pop ups I won't know I don't use windows)
  • rb10
    It's mainly Halifax, Alliance and Leicester and the other ex-building societies who won't accept bagged coin
    Originally posted by ShelfStacker
    Halifax definitely do accept bagged coin.
  • withnell
    The Nationwide is a building society not a bank and don't pretend to be one.
    Originally posted by olly300
    They just act like one when rewarding the executives....
    • willo65
    • By willo65 14th Apr 09, 8:58 PM
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    Halifax definitely do accept bagged coin.
    Originally posted by rb10
    But how much will they accept?
    • Comyface
    • By Comyface 14th Apr 09, 9:10 PM
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    But how much will they accept?
    Originally posted by willo65
    It's 5 bags at a time, unless it's going into a charity or a child's account.
    Are the words 'I have a cunning plan' marching with ill-deserved confidence in the direction of this conversation?
    • 7sefton
    • By 7sefton 14th Apr 09, 9:34 PM
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    I'm always amazed how many time this 'paying in coins' question comes up on these boards. Hope this helps:

    Traditional clearing banks (namely Lloyds TSB, Barclays, HSBC, NatWest, RBS) will generally accept an unlimited amount of coinage, as long as it is bagged correctly. It helps if you go at a quiet time of day, or even call the branch to arrange a time to pay in a considerable amount of bags.

    Current and ex building societies (Halifax, Northern Rock, A&L, Nationwide, Britannia, Yorkshire, Abbey, B&B, etc.) will only accept a max of 5 bags per day, which must be bagged correctly. The exceptions are for childrens and charity accounts. Sometimes the rule is 5 bags per day per account, or per customer. Just ring up and ask!

    And a growing number of banks (most commonly HSBC, but also NatWest and Barclays) have coin-counting machines in their bigger, flagship branches. You must have an account with the bank but they are free to use and you can pay ANY amount of coinage in, in ANY combination. The money is deposited directly to your account.

    Or you can use the CoinStar machines in supermarkets, which convert your coinage to cash or shopping vouchers instantly but take a fee of around 7%.

    Things I am unsure about:

    - Post Office coin-acceptance policy
    - Bank of Scotland's policy (it is a clearing bank, but is obviously connected to Halifax which has the 5 bag rule)
    - Positions of Clydesdale and Yorkshire banks
    • benjus
    • By benjus 14th Apr 09, 9:44 PM
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    benjus
    Just been having a discussion with my partner, i needed to pay some money into my account so buy something of the internet with my card, and i emptied the change in my pocket and a few jars and the bank refused to accept the change, and he said by law they have to accept it whether its baged up in pounds or not, so just wondering is this true?

    Thanks alot.
    Originally posted by juno-eclipse
    I wonder if your partner is getting confused with the definition of "legal tender". Anything that is legal tender must be accepted by law in payment of a debt (strictly speaking, the recipient cannot sue for non-payment if a settlement is offered in legal tender). However, there are two reasons why this doesn't apply in your situation:

    1. You're paying money into your account (effectively lending the bank money), not settling a debt.
    2. The definition of "legal tender" for coins varies with the denomination of the coin - for example, 1p coins are only legal tender up to a value of 20p, so if you offered 10000 1p coins in payment of a 100 debt, the other party could legitimately refuse the offer.
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    • dzug1
    • By dzug1 14th Apr 09, 9:54 PM
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    - Post Office coin-acceptance policy
    Originally posted by 7sefton

    I think the policy (which individual branches may not always adhere to) is that coins are accepted in payment for stamps/services/bills, etc, or payment into an account, in any amount. You can still get sent away with a flea in your ear if it's not properly bagged and if it reaches the stage where it overflows their safe it can be refused. (At a small office this could in reality mean not that much can be taken)

    They will change bags of coins for notes if they have a need for the coins - again officially. Individual branches may be more flexible, particularly if they know you.
  • Extant
    2. The definition of "legal tender" for coins varies with the denomination of the coin - for example, 1p coins are only legal tender up to a value of 20p, so if you offered 10000 1p coins in payment of a 100 debt, the other party could legitimately refuse the offer.
    Originally posted by benjus
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_east/5239962.stm

    How dumb.
    What would William Shatner do?
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