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    linlin
    Cost of oil central heating
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    • 6th Mar 06, 3:31 PM
    Cost of oil central heating 6th Mar 06 at 3:31 PM
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    If you've arrived from Google, our fully researched Cheap Heating Oil guide may be helpful.

    Back to the original post...

    A property I may be interested in has oil fired central heating. I asked the estate agent some questions and was told the boiler is 7 to 8 yrs old, is a Camroy 2 and the current owners have had two oil deliveries in the past year costing approx £160 each. The EA forgot to ask about quantities, but I guess this has to be 2 x 500 litre deliveries

    I estimate the house is approx. 1400 sq ft on one floor.

    £320 pa for heating seems very low and I'm wondering if I've been told the truth or not.
    Last edited by Former MSE Zorica; 18-02-2014 at 6:08 PM.
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    • amtrakuk
    • By amtrakuk 9th Jul 08, 8:49 PM
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    amtrakuk
    I dont use oil but out of interest I've done a quote for my area, LS12. - 61.3p/litre for 1000l.

    Good idea to see if you and neighbors can club together, I dont see why not, as long as you're on good terms with them
    • nesssie1702
    • By nesssie1702 10th Jul 08, 10:33 AM
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    nesssie1702
    Depends where you live, here in the Outer Hebrides, we're just over 70p a litre for heating oil. In March 2006, it was 34p. We're getting stung for our petrol & diesel too, it costs £1.43 for diesel and £1.26 for petrol just now
    • amtrakuk
    • By amtrakuk 11th Jul 08, 5:55 PM
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    amtrakuk
    Thats very high for diesel. Here in Leeds its about £1.30 a litre!
  • TankMaster
    Re: Boulter Camray 2

    So often I hear people harking on about Worcester Bosch being so wonderful, like many engineers I too suspect that Worcester bosch acquired Boulter because the quality build and reliability of the Boulter Boilers product was a threat to Worcester Bosch.
    Originally posted by Pilly57
    Erm, not quite as simple as that. Worcester didn't actually acquire Boulter directly. Rather, Buderus acquired Boulter, Bosch subsequently acquired Buderus (of which Boulter was a small part) and then Boulter was 'integrated' into Worcester Bosch.

    But I do agree with the sentiments about Wocester Bosch product - personally, these days I'd opt for a Grant Vortex or a Warmflow, both of which cost less and in my opinion, deliver more.

    Also, completely agree about the importance of comissioning and servicing. As one boiler manufacturer reminded me, a boiler is only as good as the last 'expert' who serviced or commissioned it.

    Regards

    TM
    • amtrakuk
    • By amtrakuk 18th Jul 08, 11:00 PM
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    amtrakuk
    Erm, not quite as simple as that. Worcester didn't actually acquire Boulter directly. Rather, Buderus acquired Boulter, Bosch subsequently acquired Buderus (of which Boulter was a small part) and then Boulter was 'integrated' into Worcester Bosch.

    But I do agree with the sentiments about Wocester Bosch product - personally, these days I'd opt for a Grant Vortex or a Warmflow, both of which cost less and in my opinion, deliver more.

    Also, completely agree about the importance of comissioning and servicing. As one boiler manufacturer reminded me, a boiler is only as good as the last 'expert' who serviced or commissioned it.

    Regards

    TM
    Originally posted by TankMaster
    Yeah Id agree with the final statement. Its generally agreed that all modern boilers are packed full of electronics which tend to be the first thing to fail. Also cheap boilers tend to break down more due to using cheap components.
  • 200
    about oil heating be serious
    We have to get serious about oil heating, first its very polutant compare to gas,
    second its like a 10 litre engione runing 10 hours a day! Oil prices are mad even low quality oil is 99p a litre in the UK. What ever the estate agents say is either a lie or that the owners had a contract of some sort with their oil company. I think you either take another propety or double glazing.
    Last edited by 200; 29-11-2008 at 12:16 PM. Reason: inproper spelling
  • paceinternet
    "200", unfortunately that is a very misleading post. Oil has its place for some people who do not have mains gas.
    Domestic heating oil is currently less than 40p per litre. Search the forum and you will find people are getting it for 36 - 38p at the moment.
  • Walkawhile2009
    Cost comparisons of central heating using - Gas / Electric /Oil / LPG
    I know this has been covered sometime ago, and all over the place via Google. Much of the information is out of date, or just plain WRONG. Whatever central heating system you have, a great site to compare the prices is
    Estimate of Annual Fuel Cost
    see - sedbuk DOT com/cost DOT htm - (it wont let me post url:confused


    As a rough guide of FACT....all things considered the stats are, for a boiler running at say 90% efficiency, in a semi are as follows.

    Cheapest in ascending order with cost per year.

    1: Mains = £293

    2: Oil = £345

    3: LPG - £652

    4: Electricity = £1132

    So, you can clearly see there is a huge difference in price between mains gas and electricity!

    I was very pleasantly surprised to discover before I moved in to a rented property way out in the sticks, that the oil was almost the cheapest, as I had thought I would be better off looking for a place with LPG.

    Something to seriously consider before moving on huh?

    Obviously prices go up and down, but the principle is exactly the same...

    Took me ages to find the info, so I hope it helps some of you when choosing your new pad, or central heating system.

    Cheers.
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 3rd May 09, 11:38 AM
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    Cardew
    I know this has been covered sometime ago, and all over the place via Google. Much of the information is out of date, or just plain WRONG. Whatever central heating system you have, a great site to compare the prices is
    Estimate of Annual Fuel Cost
    see - sedbuk DOT com/cost DOT htm - (it wont let me post url:confused


    As a rough guide of FACT....all things considered the stats are, for a boiler running at say 90% efficiency, in a semi are as follows.

    Cheapest in ascending order with cost per year.

    1: Mains = £293

    2: Oil = £345

    3: LPG - £652

    4: Electricity = £1132

    So, you can clearly see there is a huge difference in price between mains gas and electricity!

    I was very pleasantly surprised to discover before I moved in to a rented property way out in the sticks, that the oil was almost the cheapest, as I had thought I would be better off looking for a place with LPG.

    Something to seriously consider before moving on huh?

    Obviously prices go up and down, but the principle is exactly the same...

    Took me ages to find the info, so I hope it helps some of you when choosing your new pad, or central heating system.

    Cheers.
    Originally posted by Walkawhile2009
    Welcome to the forum.

    I find it difficult to accept your figures are accurate.

    Taking your figure of £293 for mains gas, the cheapest gas for 20,000kWh pa for my area is BG websaver at an average cost of 3.4p/kWh.

    So that would mean you would be using only 8,617kWh pa. That is extremely low as the average consumption in UK is 20,500kWh pa.

    Whilst I accept that oil prices vary a great deal, the thread on oil prices indicate that oil can be obtained for around 26p/litre. A litre of oil contains the equivalent of 10.2kWh.


    So oil at around 2.6p/kWh is considerably cheaper than gas and the cost for 8617kWh would be £224 pa not the £345 you quote.

    The cheapest electricity(not Economy 7) is with EON at an average price of 9.3p/kWh and of course electrical heating is 100% efficient. So the approx cost of electrical heating for 8617kWh would be £720 not £1132.

    In fact with electrical storage heating it could be even cheaper.
    • Squish_21
    • By Squish_21 17th Feb 10, 12:47 PM
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    Squish_21
    Interesting thread, just spotted a nice house but its oil heated house. Think i'll steer clear.

    I asume to convert it to gas central heating it would be a whole new heating system and cost a bomb?
    Squish
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 17th Feb 10, 1:16 PM
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    Cardew
    Interesting thread, just spotted a nice house but its oil heated house. Think i'll steer clear.

    I asume to convert it to gas central heating it would be a whole new heating system and cost a bomb?
    Originally posted by Squish_21
    Much of the existing plumbing, HW tank, radiators etc could be used. Boiler and probably flue etc would cost quite a bit.

    It might cost a fortune to get gas piped to the house - assuming that is needed.

    The problem with oil is the volatile price. Last May it could be obtained for 26p a litre so considerably cheaper than gas. However it has been as high as 70p in recent times.

    At current prices it wouldn't justify spending £thousands converting to gas - but in future?
  • younggreen
    i had oil fired central put in 3 years ago to replace coal fire, the most stupid thing i've ever done. probably costs about £800 a year for miserly use. for the little we get out of it i find it much more expensive than coal this is a small 3 bedroomed house. i find that central heating is much more unhealthy than the coal fire because there is no convection of heat like before, plus we have no airing cupboard now. if i had my time over i would not touch it with a 10 foot bargepole
  • coops228
    We fitted a Boulter Camry 2 back in 2001 (oil was 43p/litre and then went down in price) and it was a total winner. We filled the tank perhaps 5 times in 2 years (800litres each time) and the boiler was on for a good part of the day. We lived up the far north of scotland too.
    I wouldn't have any other type of heating again.
    We rang round for prices to get the best price and as the boiler was out in the garage, we were not bothered with noise etc and it heated the garage for when OH is out there "messing about" with cars etc.
    We used to have "total control" heating and it cost us £500 per quarter for very frugal use. Never again.
    We have since moved and our new house has oil central heating with a wood burner tied into the central heating system and we now fill the tank (1000litres) once a year at about a cost of £450 and buy logs for another £150. With decent insulation, double glazed windows it doesn't have to cost the earth. Depends how hot you like your house.
    We have friends who have the heating on constantly so their house is like an oven and bizarrly have loads of windows open. Strangely, their bills are high.
    Mini Coops arrived 2011
    • borkid
    • By borkid 16th Aug 10, 3:41 PM
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    borkid
    A little late for the original post but we are selling our barn conversion and hubby did some calculations for a viewer. Taking the oil used over the past 2 years we used an average 2345 lt per year ( this included last winter where snow was around for several weeks). We have the tank filled just over once a year. We use oil central heating from November to April/May if there are any odd chilly evenings we light the log fire ( have only bought 2 loads of logs in the past 8 years) also use the oil boiler for heating water during the summer. We have a 4 bedroomed 4 reception room barn conversion 2880sq ft most rooms are vaulted and lots of windows. The outside walls are thick, 12ins, and made of clay lump, all the radiators have thermostatic valves fitted and we have the boiler serviced every year. Based on our last oil delivery charge we spend £900 on oil per year and £38 per month on electricity. We are at home all day so throughout the winter the heating is on all day 8am til 10pm ish.

    Considering where we live I don't think that's an outrageous amount to spend on heating.

    And the boiler is a Camray from 1989 when the barn was converted!
  • moogley
    Hi,
    i have just moved in to a rented 4 Bed bungalow which has a warmflow oil boiler.
    Apparently the landlord has put 500lts of oil into the tank.
    How long will this last for as i have tried to get some today but because of the snow no one can deliver till the new year .
    Really dont want a cold Xmas & new year !!!!,
    Should i keep it on constant or set times for it to come on ????.
    Any advise greatfully received.
  • almost-bankrupt
    I have just bought a big old 6 bed vicarage and renewed the central heating system. We have in the region of 16 radiators around the house and 12 rooms.

    It's scaring me to death to see how much oil we are using, we have 2500 litre tank and with my estimates and the opinion of the oil delivery guy, we'll need to fill it every 2 months !!!?? thats abut 700 pound a month, with the top floor radiators switched off.

    Surely this cant be right ? I expected a rise in fuel bills compared to my last smaller house but this is crazy.
    • w50nky
    • By w50nky 22nd Feb 11, 10:28 AM
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    w50nky
    Scary isnít it! Can not comment on your situation save to say that it is a big property. I would spend my money first on insulating and draught proofing everything I could. I live in a 4 bed detached bungalow reasonably insulated now but still more to do.

    Last year 2009/2010 used a reasonable (in my opinion) 14-1500 litres of oil on heating & HW plus 5 - 6 bags of coal per month on an open fire to give ambience and heat to the lounge. I removed the open fire in August and fitted a multifuel stove in its place. The oil used (for heating) through the last winter is......None! ( save for running the system a few times to keep it in order). The stove has been on 24/7 since November using smokeless briquettes approx six 50Kg sack per month and logs if the weather is milder. To be fair we only use 2 bedrooms but we even have to open the other rooms up at times when the house becomes too warm to regulate the house temperature.
    If you have open fires that are open but not in use you will be losing lots of your heat through the flues so worth checking. You can get "balloons" that you can inflate to block of the flue when not in use.

    Hope some of this helps. I am sure more folks will be along soon to offer opinions and advice.
    • suki1964
    • By suki1964 22nd Feb 11, 4:15 PM
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    suki1964
    5 bedroom house here and we would use around 2000 ltrs of oil a year - but like w50nky - we have stoves we use more

    The oil has been on for around 6 hours a day since October and will be so until at least April. when I start decreasing the times it comes on. Its only June, July and Aug (fingers crossed) that we dont have the heating on at all - and then the hot water is for about 2 hrs a day

    We prolly spend on average £30 a month on coal and logs for two stoves

    Before we had the stoves installed - we were going through a tank of oil every 6 weeks in the winter and still needing to be wrapped up warm with throws over us in the evenings
    if you lend someone £20 and never see that person again, it was probably worth it

    still singing, loud and clear
  • owned by 2 Siamese
    Thought I'd stick my two pennies in!

    I have to use oil - the nearest mains gas is 30 miles away (remote rural location in very north England) I too wondered and pondered about whether buying a house with oil heating was a good idea.
    The problem is you cant compare what you dont have with what you have got!
    I find heating a five bed well insulated house with a condensing A rated boiler - being out at work every week day is actually not as scary as it sounds. In fact I know that my last house which was heated by gas, considerably smaller and had a 'B' rated gas boiler actually cost about the same. You cant under estimate how much difference good complete insulation, double glazing and 'sensible' use of heating can make.
    I can measure my consumption in litres, convert a litre to a useable amount of heat ( 1 litre = 10.4 KW) take away the heat my boiler wastes (90% efficient) and I know I get 9kw of useable heat from each litre. Call it 60p a litre on average and I know each KW costs me around 6.5p. I can compare that to electric or LPG and its clear oil is significantly less. However if only I had mains gas! But I dont!.

    So the real 'cost' changer is the use - and like most on oil we have a wood burner - that costs me £150 a heating 'season' in wood and coal - but saves me a significant amount in the time the central heating is on. I have a super insulated loft, modern standard wall insulation, radiotors turned low in unsused rooms, heating goes off 45 mins before we go out (using residual heat) windows all double glazed, doors draught proofed. We have the main thermostat set on 18 - hardly tropical but not 'cold' . Overall in a year we will use around 2000 litres max, and that includes the -20 we had most nights for December (a balmy -13 average during the day one week!)

    I'd love to explore ASHP - and GSHP - but the technology is not mature enough - and neighbours experience of it has involved massive electricity bills (one quarter exceed two years of my oil consumption!)

    Not sure where I'm going with this - but for those of us without gas there really is only oil with all of its problems, price volatility and finite supply that can work for most of us and the way we live.Roll on the OFT investigation into the pricing of Heating Oil !
    • lovesgshp
    • By lovesgshp 23rd Feb 11, 6:40 PM
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    lovesgshp
    To owned by 2 siamese.

    A couple of questions:
    Why is ASHP and GSHP not mature enough. It has been going for many years and is known more in Scandinavian countries than in the UK, where temperatures get far lower.
    What was your oil consumption over 2 years, + your £300 for additional heat from the fire, plus your electricity bill, as they probably included everything?
    Size of your house and temperature settings (18C you say) against theirs.
    So many variables that are not defined, so unable to compare.
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