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    • aerostar
    • By aerostar 13th Feb 06, 10:42 AM
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    aerostar
    call prevention registry - a jump on the privacy bandwagon ?
    • #1
    • 13th Feb 06, 10:42 AM
    call prevention registry - a jump on the privacy bandwagon ? 13th Feb 06 at 10:42 AM
    Came across this site http://www.callpreventionregistry.co.uk/about.html
    but fail to see the advantages of this when you can do it all for free !!!

    from the site

    "We are funded entirely by our members and aim to provide a fully efficient service to everyone that registers with us."

    To me that seems to be that you PAY for the service!

    "Company Number: 5415867.

    The Call Prevention Registry is a trading name of Alpine Investments UK Ltd"

    Investments is a word I would not associate with what they offer.

    Perhaps you are going to get sales calls/literature about investments.

    Company started 6th april 2005

    The main director seems to have had and has a number of directorships and secretaryships.

    Data registry number Z910480X
    goto

    http://www.esd.informationcommissioner.gov.uk/esd/DoSearch.asp

    Note the following

    Purpose 4
    Trading / Sharing in Personal Information
    Purpose Description:

    The sale, hire or exchange of personal information.

    Data subjects are:

    Customers and clients

    Data classes are:

    Personal Details
    Family, Lifestyle and Social Circumstances
    Goods or Services Provided

    Sources (S) and Disclosures (D)(1984 Act). Recipients (1998 Act):

    Data subjects themselves
    Other companies in the same group as the data controller
    Suppliers, providers of goods or services
    Credit reference agencies
    Traders in personal data


    Make you own minds up on this one.
    - one final piece of info - whois shows
    the website name is not registered to the company, but registered to an individual in Bedfordshire.
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  • aphistionakis
    • #2
    • 20th Feb 06, 4:48 PM
    • #2
    • 20th Feb 06, 4:48 PM
    Actually this company is a genuine independent company, and is NOT operating a scam.

    The service is provided to anyone who pays the registration fee which is explained when the telesales staff call you back after you have registered. The service is 99.9% effective and unlike the TPS stops international nuisance sales calls - some people who I spoke to in the course of my job think that the fee of £33 is a small fee to pay to stop the calls, at the other extreme, some people became abusive when asked to pay.
    Last edited by aphistionakis; 16-06-2006 at 10:35 AM.
  • pricefighter
    • #3
    • 20th Feb 06, 4:55 PM
    • #3
    • 20th Feb 06, 4:55 PM
    How can it stop Intl Nuisance Calls?
    PF.
  • aphistionakis
    • #4
    • 20th Feb 06, 5:00 PM
    • #4
    • 20th Feb 06, 5:00 PM
    The manager actively approaches data houses across the world to let them know of the existence of his list of opted out numbers - he makes this available to them free of charge.

    By dealing direct with the largest data houses in the country, where the international telesales companies buy their data, the international lists of numbers that are purchased have been 'cleansed' of the numbers of UK residents that have registered.

    For some reason I don't fully understand the TPS service does not do this. The TPS service is less effective because they charge the sales companies somethng like £7000 a year to access the 'do not call list' and some companies choose not to do so.
    Last edited by aphistionakis; 16-06-2006 at 10:35 AM.
    • redux
    • By redux 20th Feb 06, 6:18 PM
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    redux
    • #5
    • 20th Feb 06, 6:18 PM
    • #5
    • 20th Feb 06, 6:18 PM
    The manager actively approaches data houses across the world to let them know of the existence of his list of opted out numbers - he makes this available to them free of charge.
    ~
    In a moment of utter hypocrisy, the owner had the sales teams COLD CALLING residential numbers offering this service - needless to say uptkae was small.
    by aphistionakis
    Can I ask the missing question?

    The opted-out lists may be given away free, but ...

    What about others? Is there any chance he sells the numbers of people that refuse to subscribe?
    Purpose 4
    Trading / Sharing in Personal Information
    Purpose Description:

    The sale, hire or exchange of personal information.

    Data subjects are:

    Customers and clients

    Data classes are:

    Personal Details
    Family, Lifestyle and Social Circumstances
    Goods or Services Provided

    Sources (S) and Disclosures (D)(1984 Act). Recipients (1998 Act):

    Data subjects themselves
    Other companies in the same group as the data controller
    Suppliers, providers of goods or services
    Credit reference agencies
    Traders in personal data
    Last edited by redux; 20-02-2006 at 6:21 PM.
  • aphistionakis
    • #6
    • 21st Feb 06, 1:38 PM
    • #6
    • 21st Feb 06, 1:38 PM
    As of when I left the company, he did not sell any personal details of anyone, pass them to any third party or do anything with them other than contact them to offer the service, regardless of whether they subsribed or not. Ther were plans to pass numbers of non-paying customers back to data houses for a fee. I cannot confirm whether this ever actually happened.
    Last edited by aphistionakis; 16-06-2006 at 11:03 AM.
  • BritBrat
    • #7
    • 17th Jun 08, 1:47 PM
    • #7
    • 17th Jun 08, 1:47 PM
    Is that a referal link againt this sites rules?
    Last edited by BritBrat; 18-06-2008 at 5:51 PM.
  • BexTech
    • #8
    • 17th Jun 08, 1:55 PM
    • #8
    • 17th Jun 08, 1:55 PM
    Seems a bit sus to me, a brand new poster coming on saying how wonderful they are and then add a referal link, loses all credibility.
    It's PAC not PAC Code, it's MAC not MAC Code, it's PIN not PIN Number, it's ATM not ATM Machine, it's LCD not LCD Display, it's DVD not DVD disc... It's no one not noone, It's a lot not alot, It's got not gotten... Panini is the plural of panino - there is no S!!
    (OK my English isn't great, the sciences, maths & IT are my strong points!)
  • yorksrabbit
    • #9
    • 27th May 09, 7:47 PM
    THREAD UPDATE 2009: Any information, anyone?
    • #9
    • 27th May 09, 7:47 PM
    Relatives who've experienced the fallibility of TPS asked if I'd heard of something called the Call Prevention Registry, which on its website states:

    The Call Prevention Registry was established in 2005 with the primary aim of becoming the Consumer Champion in nuisance call prevention. After finding that OUR NUSIANCE CALLS were getting out of hand, we first registered with the Telephone Preference Service which unfortunately didn't have the desired effect for us. So we setup our own independent body which ACTUALLY chases the companies who continue to pester our members with unwanted phone calls. We employ a team of 22 people in our hi-tech offices in Swansea and we work tirelessly for our customers.

    Apparentrly you register your phone number with them and they do their job as the "consumer champion in nuisance call prevention."

    "Hi-tech offices" in Swansea sound impressive, so I checked the contact address on the website and went to Google Street View for 1 York Street, Swansea, SA1 3LZ.

    Mmmm.

    Well worth a look for anyone interested in viewing Swansea's answer to Silicone Valley.

    I also realised that notwithstanding all this 'Onest John guff about working for customers, consumer champion, etc etc, the website is markedly coy about the annual cost of signing up for its service.

    In fact, I only found the price because I went through the Register process and unchecked the tick box about accepting the Terms & Conditions, then read the T&Cs. The fee was in there.

    I've advised our relatives to have nothing to do with an outfit which purports to be a consumer champion but which buries its prices -- and also proclaims to operate a hi-tech operation the unimpressive reality of which is all too easily seen on Google.

    I just wondered though: am I being too harsh here? And have others on MSE -- please: not instantly registered IDs, I'm not that daft -- any experience of using the Call Prevention Registry "service"?

    Thanks.
  • Jemma-T
    Another in a long line of scumbag companies trying to rob or scam idiots who have too much money. They try to sound as official as possible and if they can get away with sounding like a legal authority ("Registry" on this occasion) they'll do that too. A bunch of parasites and they need closing down.

    The good thing about this thread (hello!) is when anyone searches them on Google this thread will pop up. MSE is all over Google like a rash. Except it's a rash that you got after doing something you enjoyed.
  • yorksrabbit
    Thanks Jemma.

    I think you're bang on target where the Call Prevention Registry is concerned because calling itself a "Registry" isn't the only conceit it resorts to:

    "So we setup our own independent body"


    is another example of how language can be used to misrepresent.

    If the Call Prevention Registry is an "independent body" then so is any corner shop or market hall fruit barrow. . .

    Or even the Swansea nightclub above which the 22-staffed hi-tech Call Prevention Registry appears to operate.
  • funnyslavingexport
    call prevention registry - a truly flexible business
    Relatives who've experienced the fallibility of TPS asked if I'd heard of something called the Call Prevention Registry, which on its website states:

    The Call Prevention Registry was established in 2005 with the primary aim of becoming the Consumer Champion in nuisance call prevention. After finding that OUR NUSIANCE CALLS were getting out of hand, we first registered with the Telephone Preference Service which unfortunately didn't have the desired effect for us. So we setup our own independent body which ACTUALLY chases the companies who continue to pester our members with unwanted phone calls. We employ a team of 22 people in our hi-tech offices in Swansea and we work tirelessly for our customers.

    Apparentrly you register your phone number with them and they do their job as the "consumer champion in nuisance call prevention."

    "Hi-tech offices" in Swansea sound impressive, so I checked the contact address on the website and went to Google Street View for 1 York Street, Swansea, SA1 3LZ.

    Mmmm.

    Well worth a look for anyone interested in viewing Swansea's answer to Silicone Valley.

    I also realised that notwithstanding all this 'Onest John guff about working for customers, consumer champion, etc etc, the website is markedly coy about the annual cost of signing up for its service.

    In fact, I only found the price because I went through the Register process and unchecked the tick box about accepting the Terms & Conditions, then read the T&Cs. The fee was in there.

    I've advised our relatives to have nothing to do with an outfit which purports to be a consumer champion but which buries its prices -- and also proclaims to operate a hi-tech operation the unimpressive reality of which is all too easily seen on Google.

    I just wondered though: am I being too harsh here? And have others on MSE -- please: not instantly registered IDs, I'm not that daft -- any experience of using the Call Prevention Registry "service"?

    Thanks.
    Originally posted by yorksrabbit
    I am disturbed to note that this dodgy, unregulated, unethical PRIVATE LIMITED COMPANY have set up in the beautiful city of swansea. If anybody is curious about them ( and let's face it, if you are reading this then they have already failed to steal from you) you would be wise to note that they used to sell second hand cars. And Bathrooms. And mobile phone insurance. I think you get my drift..

    For further reading on this upstanding and essential provider of community services it would be worth considering that they have appointed one "Rene Kinzett", Conservative MP, as public relations officer, which, unless i am mistaken, seems to be in conflict with a paragraph here or there on conduct etc etc.

    Yes, i have copied it. No, i wont delete it.

    I suppose all i have to comment in summary is " Allo allo Rene, you have been fingered!".
  • 1984ReturnsForReal
    I wonder if they can collect your data & sell it when you sign up?
    • Paul Varjak
    • By Paul Varjak 14th Jun 09, 3:35 PM
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    Paul Varjak
    Interesting to note the site statistics for this website. In March 2009 (following the start of this thread) their hits rose to 1,300 per month. By May 2009 the hits had dropped to zero!

    http://www.statsaholic.com/www.callpreventionregistry.co.uk
  • Jemma-T
    MSE.com gets absolutely hammered with Google search. Post it here and it'll be on Google in minutes and cached forever for everyone to see. A valid public record.

    That's what's good about MSE although it must cost Martin a small fortune to host this site.
  • yorksrabbit
    Looks like the website has had a make-over. But it still shrieks of "SCAM", especially as the annual 35.75p 'subscription' cost is deliberately buried in the T&Cs rather than being up-front, as it would with any legitimate business.

    The site revision hasn't done much to counter the impression of a bunch of illiterate opportunitsts at work though --

    There are many so called 'registers' out there all appertaining to do the same thing.

    And the plastering, or maybe the appertaining of its website with the corporate logos of Royal Mail, Business Link and nPower (none of whom, I imagine, will have given their consent) is as meaningless as it's self-defeating.

    Perhaps they should go back to selling tumble dryers, or whatever it was they were involved with before becoming the self-proclaimed "CONSUMER CHAMPION" of downtown (though hi-tech) Swansea.
  • theorb
    I foolishly signed up to this service not realising it wasn't the Telephone Preference Service (free) - DOH! Since signing up I have not seen a decrease in nuisance calls! I have phoned them up and complained and they said they needed to 'refresh my profile', this was over a month ago and still the calls keep coming! One could argue that had I not signed up to the Call Prevention Registry I would be receiving more but somehow I suspect not. Beware.
  • Jemma-T
    I foolishly signed up to this service not realising it wasn't the Telephone Preference Service (free) - DOH! Since signing up I have not seen a decrease in nuisance calls! I have phoned them up and complained and they said they needed to 'refresh my profile', this was over a month ago and still the calls keep coming! One could argue that had I not signed up to the Call Prevention Registry I would be receiving more but somehow I suspect not. Beware.
    Originally posted by theorb
    Kind of you to tell everyone, but what about taking a few minutes to contact the OFT to say you were ripped off by someone calling themselves a "Registry" and implying they are "official" and some sort of authority?

    www.oft.gov.uk

    The OFT shut down scumbag companies like this for breakfast but they need people to complain.
  • emmamoo
    My step dad's just been 'done' by these people, partly my fault as I signed him up trying to help him out - thinking it was a free service like the TPS. Cleverly they've hidden their charges in their T&C's page in very small type. Utter gits they are, I sent them a letter on behalf of my step dad after he was conned into paying for it and they've ignored my letter even though it was sent by recorded delivery. I've been onto Watchdog about them as I think they're a fraud and I want them stopped!
  • Jemma-T
    BBC's Watchdog with that sewed up tightened face bint is not the proper place to complain.

    Contact the OFT or Trading Standards.
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