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    Euro Car Parks 'Parking Charge Notice'
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    • 1st Jan 09, 4:20 PM
    Euro Car Parks 'Parking Charge Notice' 1st Jan 09 at 4:20 PM
    I need help please!

    This has been touched on before in previous threads, but does anyone have a link to the actual law regarding my obligation to paying a 'Parking Charge Notice'. People have offered opinions but I could do with the facts to put my mind at rest.

    I received a ticket on my car for parking in a no parking area. It was parked for 10 minutes in a place that is widely considered and used as a parking area, and Euro Car Parks seem to be a recent addition to the area...

    I consider myself to have 2 options.

    1) Dispute the invoice
    2) Ignore it

    Thanks in advance!
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    • isplumm
    • By isplumm 19th Jan 12, 6:52 PM
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    isplumm
    i have received a parking charge notice from euro car parks and notice from threads that you should ignore these. Mine is photographic evidence of my numberplate entering and leaving the said car park 67 minutes over the allocated time.

    I've checked various websites and am unsure if i should ignore or pay up, just worried about the charges/debt collectors etc

    can anyone help ?
    Originally posted by laineyg
    ignore / ignore / ignore
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 19th Jan 12, 10:20 PM
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    Coupon-mad
    I have received a parking charge notice from euro car parks and notice from threads that you should ignore these. Mine is photographic evidence of my numberplate entering and leaving the said car park 67 minutes over the allocated time.

    I've checked various websites and am unsure if I should ignore or pay up, just worried about the charges/debt collectors etc

    can anyone help ?
    Originally posted by laineyg


    Obviously ignore it, it's not a real parking ticket. I had a ECP ticket 3 years ago, they NEVER do Court. It's just about ignoring some letters and it's easy.

    Watch the Watchdog video linked on 'welcome, please read before posting'. You will see it's not just a bunch of strangers on a forum telling you to ignore this scam fake PCN.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the trail, top of this page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Thundercatsarego
    • By Thundercatsarego 30th May 12, 11:03 AM
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    Thundercatsarego
    Euro Car Parks fine
    Hi there - just wanted a bit of advice...

    ... myself and my mom parked in a Euro car park a couple of weeks ago. She is disabled and has the appropriate badge and, after looking at the sign (which was placed high up on the car park wall) she left the car in a disabled bay (as instructed on the sign) and off we went for an hour.

    On returning, we found a ticket on the windscreen declaring that we should have also paid and displayed... when we challenged the attendent he said that it clearly states that disabled cars must park in the designated spaces but ALSO pay for a ticket... on scrutinising the sign I found tiny lettering stating this... much smaller than the rest of the lettering on the sign.

    As it was so tiny, both myself and Mom had failed to spot it.

    I took photographs of the sign and also wrote to Euro we would not be paying due to the insufficient signage.

    they have replied rejecting my appeal and saying we must pay within 14 days...

    What shall I do?

    On this thread it says to ignore... but my mom is widowed and I dont want to get her into any trouble...

    Any help would be greatly appreciated...

    thanks
  • Stephen Leak
    Hi there - just wanted a bit of advice...

    ... myself and my mom parked in a Euro car park a couple of weeks ago. She is disabled and has the appropriate badge and, after looking at the sign (which was placed high up on the car park wall) she left the car in a disabled bay (as instructed on the sign) and off we went for an hour.

    On returning, we found a ticket on the windscreen declaring that we should have also paid and displayed... when we challenged the attendent he said that it clearly states that disabled cars must park in the designated spaces but ALSO pay for a ticket... on scrutinising the sign I found tiny lettering stating this... much smaller than the rest of the lettering on the sign.

    As it was so tiny, both myself and Mom had failed to spot it.

    I took photographs of the sign and also wrote to Euro we would not be paying due to the insufficient signage.

    they have replied rejecting my appeal and saying we must pay within 14 days...

    What shall I do?

    On this thread it says to ignore... but my mom is widowed and I dont want to get her into any trouble...

    Any help would be greatly appreciated...

    thanks
    Originally posted by Thundercatsarego
    She's not in any trouble.

    Please read this ...

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=16850789#post16850789

    Firstly, the legal stuff.

    Only councils, the police, train operators and Transport for London can impose legally enforceable fines or penalties. A private parking company (PPC) or an individual can't. Even PPCs call their tickets “Parking Charge Notices”, not “Penalty Charge Notices”. In law, they’re called “speculative invoices”.

    Any warning signs are usually so badly positioned and worded, that they won’t have created a fair and legally binding deemed contract between the car park owner and a driver entering the car park in the first place. See The Unfair Contract Terms Act 1997 and Excel Parking Services vs. Cutts, Stockport, 2011, 1SE02759, the Peel Centre case.

    All the car park owner (CPO) can claim from a driver in damages for any breach of contract is what they’ve lost as a result. If this is a free car park or they paid, this is £0.00. Demanding more has been judged to be unreasonable and therefore an unfair contract penalty under the terms of The Unfair Contract Terms Act 1997, which is not legally enforceable. See Dunlop Pneumatic Tyre Co. Ltd. vs. New Garage & Motor Co. Ltd., House of Lords, 1914 and countless cases since.

    What should I do now?

    We don’t condone not paying or overstaying in a pay car park. If you do owe the CPO anything, then you should write to them, offering this in “full and final settlement”. Also advise them that they are "jointly and severally liable" for the actions of their agents, the PPC, and that any further actions have been judged to constitute harassment under the terms of The Protection from Harassment Act 1997. That ought to make the CPO call off the PPC and, hopefully, realise the potential cost of doing business with them.

    However, even if you’ve written and told them who the driver was, it doesn’t make their actions any less unlawful. It just means that instead of harassing the registered keeper, they can now harass the driver.

    What will they do to me?

    The PPC, then a debt collector and then a solicitor will send you a series of letters. The debt collector and solicitor are usually also the PPC, but using different headed paper. These letters will threaten you with every kind of financial and legal unpleasantness imaginable, to intimidate you into paying.

    But, they can't actually do anything, for the same reason that a Nigerian e-mail scammer couldn't sue anyone who didn’t pay them.

    What should I do then?

    Continue to ignore everything you get from the PPC and their aliases. It does seem counter-intuitive to deal with something by ignoring it. Eventually, they will run out of empty threats, and stop throwing good money after bad.
    Last edited by Stephen Leak; 30-05-2012 at 11:16 AM.
    • Thundercatsarego
    • By Thundercatsarego 30th May 12, 11:15 AM
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    Thundercatsarego
    Thank you so much for this. I wasn't the driver, my mom was... they only know my name and address so hopefully they shall continue to harass me (not her, as she would break and pay!) and I shall continue to ignore.

    Thank you so much for this!
  • give them FA
    They WILL go away. They always do. Just laugh at their pathetic attempts to bully you into paying, and you are not even liable.
  • iantresman
    The company will obtain the Registered Keeper's details from DVLA.
    Originally posted by Juan Karder
    That should be illegal breaking of the data protection act.
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 27th Jul 13, 4:38 PM
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    Umkomaas
    That should be illegal breaking of the data protection act.
    Originally posted by iantresman
    Why are you resurrecting such ancient threads with pithy one-liners.

    If you want to know why DVLA can issue RK details without breaking the DPA, then there's plenty of reading on this forum and Pepipoo to explain exactly why.

    The debate on this has long gone and regulars are looking at many other ways of thwarting the making available of RK data to PPCs
  • mcgarvigo
    euro car park notice of intended court action.
    Hi, euro carpark have issued me with 2 parking charge
    notices for parking in the west end retail park in glasgow for just over 2 hours. One of them is a debt recovery letter stating
    Intended court action for £120. The other is a parking charge
    for £60. What should I do as I've read they cannot pursue
    this in scotland. Any advice please.
    • Ralph-y
    • By Ralph-y 13th Apr 15, 1:26 PM
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    Ralph-y
    Hi, please read though

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=4816822

    while you await further help ......

    it includes the advice of starting your own thread ( not one that is nearly 3 years old)

    Ralph
    • jase.2
    • By jase.2 15th Mar 17, 8:37 PM
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    jase.2
    Hi, euro carpark have issued me with 2 parking charge
    notices for parking in the west end retail park in glasgow for just over 2 hours. One of them is a debt recovery letter stating
    Intended court action for £120. The other is a parking charge
    for £60. What should I do as I've read they cannot pursue
    this in scotland. Any advice please.
    Originally posted by mcgarvigo
    Wondered how you got on with this one??

    I got the same notice today from this retail park asking for £60, inclined to just ignore it and not shop there again lol
    • isplumm
    • By isplumm 15th Mar 17, 8:38 PM
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    isplumm
    Wondered how you got on with this one??

    I got the same notice today from this retail park asking for £60, inclined to just ignore it and not shop there again lol
    Originally posted by jase.2
    Do what the poster says above your post. Don't ignore - that is old advice!

    Also start your own thread!!!

    Mark
    Last edited by isplumm; 15-03-2017 at 8:46 PM.
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    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 15th Mar 17, 8:41 PM
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    Umkomaas
    Wondered how you got on with this one??

    I got the same notice today from this retail park asking for £60, inclined to just ignore it and not shop there again lol
    Originally posted by jase.2
    Jayzus H C....... this thread is over 8 years old. FFS!
    NEWBIES - wise up - DO NOT IGNORE A PARKING CHARGE NOTICE - you have been warned!

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Please note: I am NOT involved in any 'paid for' appeals service.
    • jase.2
    • By jase.2 15th Mar 17, 9:06 PM
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    jase.2
    Do what the poster says above your post. Don't ignore - that is old advice!

    Also start your own thread!!!

    Mark
    Originally posted by isplumm
    ALSO i do not recall asking for your specific advice!!!

    The post I replied to was in 2015 and I think I can ask that poster how things worked out for an example in the same retail park if I want to
    • jase.2
    • By jase.2 15th Mar 17, 9:07 PM
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    jase.2
    Jayzus H C....... this thread is over 8 years old. FFS!
    Originally posted by Umkomaas

    Cant you read? The post I replied to is less than two years old and i dont need your approval to reply to it
    • DoaM
    • By DoaM 15th Mar 17, 9:32 PM
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    DoaM
    But you certainly need to heed advice from the people who give up their time to help people, if YOU want to get help. As it is you're doing a great job of alienating the very people you need on your side.

    PS - regarding the person you asked the question to ... they have only 2 posts on this forum, and:

    Last Activity: 13-04-2015 1:20 PM

    You really think they'll see your post?
    Diary of a madman
    Walk the line again today
    Entries of confusion
    Dear diary, I'm here to stay
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 15th Mar 17, 10:04 PM
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    Coupon-mad
    Cant you read? The post I replied to is less than two years old and i dont need your approval to reply to it
    Originally posted by jase.2
    Even if it was 2 months old it's too old to reply on. There's a whole two pages of posts from today here:

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/forumdisplay.php?f=163

    Please read today's postings and start with 'NEWBIES PLEASE READ THESE FAQS FIRST'. At/near the top.

    You will need us at court defence stage, you know, if Euro Car Parks break the habit of recent years and try like other PPCs are, since a change in 2016 (yes, since this ancient archive thread) to shift towards aggressive suing. So get up to date, no reading 8 year old (or even 2 year old) threads and thinking it is good to ignore a charge which may result in a court claim. Today's posts are where you need to be.

    Read the NEWBIES thread first and appeal as keeper, like everyone does. Not saying who was driving.
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 15-03-2017 at 10:11 PM.
    PRIVATE PCN in England/Wales? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    Click on the trail, top of this page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    DON'T read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • isplumm
    • By isplumm 15th Mar 17, 10:09 PM
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    isplumm
    ALSO i do not recall asking for your specific advice!!!

    The post I replied to was in 2015 and I think I can ask that poster how things worked out for an example in the same retail park if I want to
    Originally posted by jase.2
    Wow ...

    I suggest you ignore my advice - don't start a new thread, don't read the section Coupon-Mad pointed to and make sure you ignore the letters that Euro carpark sent you - I am sure it will be fine - saying that of course it isn't me who is being threatened with a parking charge of £60, so want do I care?

    Mark
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