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    • Marker
    • By Marker 29th Dec 08, 3:21 PM
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    Back Date Jobseekers
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    • 29th Dec 08, 3:21 PM
    Back Date Jobseekers 29th Dec 08 at 3:21 PM
    I had to finish my job end of November and think I may of been entitled to jobseekers allowance, will they back date benefit from the date I finished my job end of November or just from the first date I enquire about it?

    I moved to a new area after I finished my job and havent really been able to go into the jobcentre.

    Any help appreciated.
    Last edited by Marker; 29-12-2008 at 3:25 PM.
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  • robredz
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    • 29th Dec 08, 3:33 PM
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    • 29th Dec 08, 3:33 PM
    I think it is dated from the date of application, and not earlier. Someone else may know more than me.
  • Conor
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    • 29th Dec 08, 3:36 PM
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    • 29th Dec 08, 3:36 PM
    You can apply for it to be backdated when you sign on but whether or not it is allowed depends on your reason and the adjudication process will delay when you first start getting money from them.
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    • By Marker 29th Dec 08, 3:43 PM
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    • 29th Dec 08, 3:43 PM
    Thanks for the replies. Think I will give it a go in the hope they will back date, a month is along time to go without any income my side.

    Never had todo this before, can you apply over the phone/net or does it have to be down the jobcentre.

    Anything you recommend I should take down if it has tobeface toface.
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    • By healy 29th Dec 08, 3:51 PM
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    • 29th Dec 08, 3:51 PM
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    • 29th Dec 08, 3:51 PM
    Thanks for the replies. Think I will give it a go in the hope they will back date, a month is along time to go without any income my side.

    Never had todo this before, can you apply over the phone/net or does it have to be down the jobcentre.

    Anything you recommend I should take down if it has tobeface toface.
    Originally posted by Marker

    The following link gives details about JSA and tells you how to claim :


    http://www.jobcentreplus.gov.uk/JCP/Customers/WorkingAgeBenefits/Dev_015272.xml.html
  • dmg24
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    • 29th Dec 08, 4:04 PM
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    • 29th Dec 08, 4:04 PM
    They will only backdate claims if you can show that you had good reason not to claim, and that you were actively seeking work for the relevant period. Not really being able to go to the JCP is not good reason for not applying earlier.
  • Julio Geordio
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    • 29th Dec 08, 4:22 PM
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    • 29th Dec 08, 4:22 PM
    You would have to be able to prove that you were actively seeking work during this time, if not they just decline to backdate the claim.
  • dmg24
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    • 29th Dec 08, 4:47 PM
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    • 29th Dec 08, 4:47 PM
    You would have to be able to prove that you were actively seeking work during this time, if not they just decline to backdate the claim.
    Originally posted by Julio Geordio
    Did I not write that twenty minutes ago? :confused:
    • Marker
    • By Marker 29th Dec 08, 5:06 PM
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    • 29th Dec 08, 5:06 PM
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    • 29th Dec 08, 5:06 PM
    They will only backdate claims if you can show that you had good reason not to claim, and that you were actively seeking work for the relevant period. Not really being able to go to the JCP is not good reason for not applying earlier.
    Originally posted by dmg24

    Sick child, no car, new to area - is that good enough? I can prove that I have been actively seeking a job for the last 6 months ... although for 1 week in December I had tocancel afew interviews as my husband was awa so couldnt look after the child whilst I went.
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  • Julio Geordio
    Did I not write that twenty minutes ago? :confused:
    Originally posted by dmg24
    Sorry i only read the first part of your post, and assumed you were saying, you had to have a reason to back date the claim.

    Plus i've got the flu so cut me some slack hehe
  • Zara33
    Marker :confused: i thought you had a husband who works in the forces surely you have his wages to live on :confused:
  • dmg24
    Sick child, no car, new to area - is that good enough? I can prove that I have been actively seeking a job for the last 6 months ... although for 1 week in December I had tocancel afew interviews as my husband was awa so couldnt look after the child whilst I went.
    Originally posted by Marker
    No car and new to area are definitely not good reason for being unable to claim, especially as you can claim by phone or online! A sick child would imply that you were unavailable for work, so I wouldn't go down that line.

    Generally speaking, the only acceptable reason for not claiming at an earlier time is that you were misadvised by a DWP employee.
    • Marker
    • By Marker 29th Dec 08, 8:19 PM
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    Marker :confused: i thought you had a husband who works in the forces surely you have his wages to live on :confused:
    Originally posted by Zara33
    We went from a double earning household to single earning household with the same double outgoings. Cos the other half works I cant claim?

    I didnt know I could claim online or over the phone, I enquired about this aweek before my emploment finished and was advised to go to jobcentre once I was out of work, because my daughter was ill following me finishing work, and because I had no famili ynetwork to beable to leave her with Ihavent been able to go anywhere.

    As I was wrongly advised when I first enquired maybe that'll help.
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  • dmg24
    We went from a double earning household to single earning household with the same double outgoings. Cos the other half works I cant claim?

    I didnt know I could claim online or over the phone, I enquired about this aweek before my emploment finished and was advised to go to jobcentre once I was out of work, because my daughter was ill following me finishing work, and because I had no famili ynetwork to beable to leave her with Ihavent been able to go anywhere.

    As I was wrongly advised when I first enquired maybe that'll help.
    Originally posted by Marker
    You were not told that you could not claim online or by phone. All because they did not spell it out for you, it does not mean that you were misadvised.

    Surely common sense would dictate that if you could not attend you would ring up instead? What would you do if you could not make a job interview - attend a month later and say 'sorry I wasn't told I could ring you'?

    You need to take responsibility for your actions here. You could have rang them.
  • Lynn11
    You phone the freephone number of the jobcentre and say that you wish to claim. They will ask all the questions on the application form and complete. Please note that if you phoned today your application will be registered today but they do not pay for the 1st 3 days, they will phone you and arrange for you to go to your local jobcentre to check all the details taken over the phone and explain to you what you are required to do for the money they will give you. I was made redundant in September and received the standard job-seekers of £60.50 per week due to husband working and having a good salary and also having savings. Good luck and go on the phone as soon as possible to start the ball rolling
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    • Marker
    • By Marker 29th Dec 08, 8:53 PM
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    You were not told that you could not claim online or by phone. All because they did not spell it out for you, it does not mean that you were misadvised.

    Surely common sense would dictate that if you could not attend you would ring up instead? What would you do if you could not make a job interview - attend a month later and say 'sorry I wasn't told I could ring you'?

    You need to take responsibility for your actions here. You could have rang them.
    Originally posted by dmg24
    DMG did you not read my post, I said I rang a week before I finished my job to enquire about it and WAS TOLD I HAD TO go to ajobcentre, nothing about a phone and nothing about online. I dd ask whether I could do it over the phone but was told because this was my first claim I had to go in -I specifically asked if I could do it over the phone because I did not know where the jobcentre was
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    Just because you seem to know the back end of the benefits system does not mean we all do, having never claimed before I wouldnt know what to do so please drop your attitude problem with me. Isnt this board for help as you have stated to me once before
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  • dmg24
    DMG did you not read my post, I said I rang a week before I finished my job to enquire about it and WAS TOLD I HAD TO go to ajobcentre, nothing about a phone and nothing about online. I dd ask whether I could do it over the phone but was told because this was my first claim I had to go in -I specifically asked if I could do it over the phone because I did not know where the jobcentre was
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    Just because you seem to know the back end of the benefits system does not mean we all do, having never claimed before I wouldnt know what to do so please drop your attitude problem with me. Isnt this board for help as you have stated to me once before
    Originally posted by Marker
    So why did you not ring again when you realised that you could not make it in? I can't see how you expect them to believe that you were actively seeking work, when you were unable to find five minutes to contact them. As I said before, you need to use your common sense, as they will in assessing your claim for backdating.

    My information is accurate, and therefore helping you. Would you rather I lied to you and said that it will be no problem that you made no effort to contact them?
    • Marker
    • By Marker 29th Dec 08, 8:57 PM
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    Marker :confused: i thought you had a husband who works in the forces surely you have his wages to live on :confused:
    Originally posted by Zara33
    So does this mean I cant claim or what - cos the other half works and is in the forces and obviously is on a good wage!
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  • MIMI123
    hi
    you can backdate your claim up to 3 months. you need to fill out a seperate form called a jcp5 or jsa5 (sorry cannot remember). you mostly tick boxes on the first couple of pages asking if you were actively seeking work and checking that you were able to work and werent sick or on holiday. they will then ask for employers that you contacted and what dates (if you have any letters or docs to support this staple these to the form) the form is only about 6 pages takes about 10 mins to complete, if that, so worth a try. the form will then go to a decision maker who decides if you had good enough reason for not claiming jsa earlier. if they refuse to backdate you can always appeal against this decision ona gl24 form. hope this helps you also (this will not hold up the processing of your current claim.)
    • Marker
    • By Marker 29th Dec 08, 9:04 PM
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    So why did you not ring again when you realised that you could not make it in? I can't see how you expect them to believe that you were actively seeking work, when you were unable to find five minutes to contact them. As I said before, you need to use your common sense, as they will in assessing your claim for backdating.

    My information is accurate, and therefore helping you. Would you rather I lied to you and said that it will be no problem that you made no effort to contact them?
    Originally posted by dmg24
    Your attitude is unfortunate. I did not ring again because I thought I was not entitled. The conversation I had with the operator at the time pretty much said this, but on further investigation by myself the last month I realise that this may be incorrect, note why I am asking if it gets backdated because of misinformation by the operator. Do they record calls?

    For the last few months I have done non stop interviews (travelling over 180 miles at a time to do so), proving my jobseeking won't be difficult, however for a while beginning of December was not able to do so, have had job interviews I have had to cancel due tolack ofchild car, plus car troubles ontop o that, but thats another story!
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