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    sally06
    euro parking at sainsbury's
    • #1
    • 23rd Dec 08, 9:38 PM
    euro parking at sainsbury's 23rd Dec 08 at 9:38 PM
    has anyone heard of this company EPC? they operate at my local sainsbury's. Where they have installed a new camera system. When you enter the car park your reg No appears on a screen. You are given 2 hours free parking and the time you have to leave by is shown on the screen when you enter the car park. If you overstay you are given a 70.00 fine

    I have over stayed a couple of times by about 10/20minutes. I wasn't aware (at the time) that sainsbury's had an external company issuing fines. I didn't take any notice of the signs displayed in yellow throughout the car park. That was until I got chatting to a member of staff in the store who told me that if you overstay they send you a parking fine through the post. They do not operate in the carpark. They get all the info from the cameras and there was me thinking I'd escaped a fine because I wasn't issued with a ticket on the day. The first time I overstayed was about 3 weeks ago and the last time was last week. I haven't heard from them yet, but the sainsbury's employee assured me I would hear from them as it can take 3+ weeks for them to write to you. He said I could send them a copy of my reciept as evidence that was shopping there, but I have searched the house for them, but I can't find them. I would've kept them If I'd known. Maybe I could give them my nectar card number and they can find the transactions that way? There is no way I want to give this company 140.00 of my hard earned cash for 30minutes parking. How I can I wangle my way out of paying up. Any advice would be gratefully appreciated. TIA
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  • peter_the_piper
    • #2
    • 23rd Dec 08, 9:59 PM
    • #2
    • 23rd Dec 08, 9:59 PM
    The first thing to remember is that any perceived contract is with the driver. As the cameras cannot show a good enough picture to often tell the sex of a driver let alone actually who the driver is then its normally safe to ignore the invoice which follows. Don't appeal (rarely if ever successful) don't contact them and don't worry. The invoices will get more threatening as will the letters then suddenly stop when they realise you are not going to be intimidated. File all paperwork in a drawer and enjoy your xmas. by the way its not a fine, only the police and councils can do this its merely an invoice asking you for a sum of money.
    Millie due home in 1 week. Then she'll spend the summer holiday visiting friends she's not seen for 2 years. We may see her for a day or so.
  • sally06
    • #3
    • 23rd Dec 08, 10:10 PM
    • #3
    • 23rd Dec 08, 10:10 PM
    The first thing to remember is that any perceived contract is with the driver. As the cameras cannot show a good enough picture to often tell the sex of a driver let alone actually who the driver is then its normally safe to ignore the invoice which follows. Don't appeal (rarely if ever successful) don't contact them and don't worry. The invoices will get more threatening as will the letters then suddenly stop when they realise you are not going to be intimidated. File all paperwork in a drawer and enjoy your xmas. by the way its not a fine, only the police and councils can do this its merely an invoice asking you for a sum of money.
    Originally posted by peter_the_piper
    Thanks for the reply are you sure the letters will stop if I ignore them? when I spoke to the sainsbury's employee he said if I ignore their letters they will send the bailiffs around is this true?
  • Neillgb
    • #4
    • 23rd Dec 08, 10:20 PM
    • #4
    • 23rd Dec 08, 10:20 PM
    Thanks for the reply are you sure the letters will stop if I ignore them? when I spoke to the sainsbury's employee he said if I ignore their letters they will send the bailiffs around is this true?
    Originally posted by sally06
    Check through the other similar threads and you will see this is rubbish, they need a county court judgement in their favour before they can even contemplate sending the bailiffs. The sainsbury employee is talking out of his $%@!!! Don't be intimidated and bullied.
  • peter_the_piper
    • #5
    • 23rd Dec 08, 10:25 PM
    • #5
    • 23rd Dec 08, 10:25 PM
    Check the stickies on this forum. Private Parking Companies (PPC) (Martin's Article coming soon) 1) PPC tickets are NOT fines or fixed penalties, they are invoices based on a presumed contract with the driver. 2) When posting, don't mention your vehicle or exact location and most importantly do NOT say who was driving, as PPC trolls do read these boards and may try to use this information against you. 3) PPC charges have been shown to be generally unenforceable in Court, and they hardly ever issue proceedings, despite the threats in their intimidatory letters. 4) Do NOT write to the PPC to 'appeal' the ticket - the appeals process is a complete sham, they just want your money and thus will reject the 'appeal'. 5) If you don't take action on the ticket, the PPC will get the registered keeper's details from the DVLA, for a fee of 2.50. The registered keeper has no liability, since the presumed contract was formed with the driver. And, if you don't tell the PPC who was driving, they don't have a case. 6) Opinions vary on this point, but generally the best advice is to ignore all correspondence they send you, and they will give up after 5 or 6 scary looking letters. PPC cannot send the bailiffs around, In the very unlikely event that they were to take you to court, they would have to win(even less likely) and then you still refuse to pay the court (even more less likely) then the court would send bailiffs around. You've probably more chance of winning first prize on the lottery than them taking anyone to court.
    Last edited by peter_the_piper; 23-12-2008 at 10:27 PM.
    Millie due home in 1 week. Then she'll spend the summer holiday visiting friends she's not seen for 2 years. We may see her for a day or so.
  • boombap
    • #6
    • 28th Dec 08, 1:39 PM
    • #6
    • 28th Dec 08, 1:39 PM
    If you do get a fine (or 'invoice' ) in the post then I think it might make for an interesting letter to be sent to your local paper. I think the reader's will be very interested to hear about the store's OTT policies and poor customer service.

    S.
  • Mojisola
    • #7
    • 28th Dec 08, 1:51 PM
    • #7
    • 28th Dec 08, 1:51 PM
    He said I could send them a copy of my reciept as evidence that was shopping there, but I have searched the house for them, but I can't find them. I would've kept them If I'd known. Maybe I could give them my nectar card number and they can find the transactions that way?
    Originally posted by sally06
    Don't give them your card number - they'll just use it to take the fine from you!
  • Neil B
    • #8
    • 28th Dec 08, 3:57 PM
    • #8
    • 28th Dec 08, 3:57 PM
    He said I could send them a copy of my reciept as evidence that was shopping there, but I have searched the house for them, but I can't find them. I would've kept them If I'd known.
    Originally posted by sally06
    You are giving them too much credibility!
  • patbellanti
    • #9
    • 28th Oct 09, 12:39 PM
    • #9
    • 28th Oct 09, 12:39 PM
    Was this ever resolved? I've just had a euro car parks parking charge notice for parking at sainsbury's without a ticket. I was in a terrible rush at the time and just forgot to get my ticket!! I was however shopping in sainsbury's at the time and have my till receipt as proof. I can't decide whether to just pay up (30), write a letter and send recipt in the hope they will relent or just ignore the notice. This goes against the grain somewhat as I'm very law abiding as a rule! Any advice gratefully received.
  • king100
    Was this ever resolved? I've just had a euro car parks parking charge notice for parking at sainsbury's without a ticket. I was in a terrible rush at the time and just forgot to get my ticket!! I was however shopping in sainsbury's at the time and have my till receipt as proof. I can't decide whether to just pay up (30), write a letter and send recipt in the hope they will relent or just ignore the notice. This goes against the grain somewhat as I'm very law abiding as a rule! Any advice gratefully received.
    Originally posted by patbellanti
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    Dont pay Private Parking tickets - they are mere invoices.

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  • Coupon-mad
    Was this ever resolved? I've just had a euro car parks parking charge notice for parking at sainsbury's without a ticket. I was in a terrible rush at the time and just forgot to get my ticket!! I was however shopping in sainsbury's at the time and have my till receipt as proof. I can't decide whether to just pay up (30), write a letter and send recipt in the hope they will relent or just ignore the notice. This goes against the grain somewhat as I'm very law abiding as a rule! Any advice gratefully received.
    Originally posted by patbellanti

    I have highlighted in bold above, what you should do.

    A relative of mine also had just such a scam ticket a few months ago, we are law-abiding and we are ignoring it too. When we get another threatening letter we just laugh at its unlawfulness and file it, I have read enough on here to know it's a scam.
    PCN in a private car park in England/Wales? DON'T PAY IT BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT

    USE THE 'FORUM JUMP' ON RIGHT, GO TO THE PARKING TICKETS FORUM. READ THE 'NEWBIES' THREAD.
    Do NOT read old advice to ignore, unless in Scotland/NI.

  • RobertoMoir
    Was this ever resolved? I've just had a euro car parks parking charge notice for parking at sainsbury's without a ticket. I was in a terrible rush at the time and just forgot to get my ticket!! I was however shopping in sainsbury's at the time and have my till receipt as proof. I can't decide whether to just pay up (30), write a letter and send recipt in the hope they will relent or just ignore the notice. This goes against the grain somewhat as I'm very law abiding as a rule! Any advice gratefully received.
    Originally posted by patbellanti
    Well as you haven't broken any laws, you can ignore this invoice (or not, your choice and I don't care) safe in the knowledge that either way your reputation as a law-abiding citizen will not be harmed..
    Former Bailiff.
    I'm here to help but I reserve the right to be blunt and to the point rather than sugar-coat my replies.


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