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Old 18-12-2008, 5:52 PM
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We moved from South Africa in 2000, my husband is a British Citizen but my children are not. The problem is that my daughter will be going to uni in 2010, will we be paying more as she is not a British Citizen? Does anyone know? or does anyone know where I can get some advice? Also, If we apply for citizenship now will it make any difference? Thanks for reading :-)
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We moved from South Africa in 2000, my husband is a British Citizen but my children are not. The problem is that my daughter will be going to uni in 2010, will we be paying more as she is not a British Citizen? Does anyone know? or does anyone know where I can get some advice? Also, If we apply for citizenship now will it make any difference? Thanks for reading :-)
I'm not too sure, i think in Scotland if you have lived here for more than 3 years your get it paid for you.
My friend from work only moved here 2 years ago, and her dad has to pay her tutition fees for her.
I don't know if that only applies in Scotland, or in the whole UK though
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Thanks for your reply, I wonder if there is a website or something I could find the info. I have no idea where to look, I'm new at this :confused: I just want to be proactive and see if there is "anything" I can do.....
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maybe try the student loan company? Thats who pays so worth a try on their site
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There are a wealth of reasons as to why someone would need to pay. Does she have permanent leave to reside in UK? Is she your daughter or both of you are her parents?

For a child of a UK resident who has lived outside the EU with another parent or family member) who has come from a none EU country for the express purpose of education then the funding would not be there and you would have to pay.

Funding is a nightmare and fraught with traps!

You need to be speaking with Student Finance Direct - http://www.studentfinancedirect.co.u..._schema=PORTAL or your local Learning and Skills Council - http://www.lsc.gov.uk/

Hope you find the answers to your questions.
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Do check with a university, but I don't think you need to worry.

So long as her visa (or permission to live in the UK) does not end on a fixed date; she has been in the UK for three years or more; and the family came to live in the UK for a reason other than obtaining an education, then she is likely to be treated as a home student.
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There are a wealth of reasons as to why someone would need to pay. Does she have permanent leave to reside in UK? Is she your daughter or both of you are her parents?

For a child of a UK resident who has lived outside the EU with another parent or family member) who has come from a none EU country for the express purpose of education then the funding would not be there and you would have to pay.

Funding is a nightmare and fraught with traps!

You need to be speaking with Student Finance Direct - http://www.studentfinancedirect.co.u..._schema=PORTAL or your local Learning and Skills Council - http://www.lsc.gov.uk/

Hope you find the answers to your questions.
I do not mind paying, I have saved for that but I have heard that we will be charged different fees, I believe they are higher. Thanks for the website I will start investigating.

My husband is her dad and he is a British Citizen (although 2nd generation i.e. he was born in south Africa but got his British passport because his parents were both from the UK). I have a German passport. Thanks for the answers and advice.
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My first post so here goes....

I work at a university in international student recruitment and this is one of the most common questions I get. It is abit of a minefield and the best website that explains this and other questions pertaining to non-UK resident issues in education is http://www.ukcosa.org.uk/ with http://www.ukcosa.org.uk/student/fee...nt_support.php relating specifically to fees and funding.

My sister was in a similar position - my parents moved overseas when she was 10 and when she came back to the UK for university, it was an automatic assumption that she would pay international fees. However, because she had moved overseas for the specific purpose of my parents' jobs - and they had a renewable contract as evidence; she ended up paying home fees.

Unfortunately, the UK - unlike the US doesn't do it through citizenship but residency. Your daughter usually needs to be resident in the UK (whether British or not) 3 years prior to the start of the chosen course. Some universities implement this a great deal more strictly than others (eg. Portsmouth who would hear nothing about my sister being overseas as a temporary resident but Oxford Brookes did). It is therefore worth speaking to the university directly too. The forms they send out about funding are automatic and often don't allow for individual experience.

There are ways around it but it is wise to allow good time as it can take a while.
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Thank you so much Kaori1 that was very helpful! The nly problem is I have no idea what uni my daughter is going to go it, as I said she is only in year 11 now. Would it be worth contact the uni's that she "may" go to and start the process? I am so worried, she is so driven and gets amazing marks A and A*'s I would hate her to loose out and have to take a gap year while we are trying to sort this out. It's like a minefield out there.
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Thank you so much Kaori1 that was very helpful! The nly problem is I have no idea what uni my daughter is going to go it, as I said she is only in year 11 now. Would it be worth contact the uni's that she "may" go to and start the process? I am so worried, she is so driven and gets amazing marks A and A*'s I would hate her to loose out and have to take a gap year while we are trying to sort this out. It's like a minefield out there.
Check with any university: the rules are the same across the whole of England and Wales, but some universities are more helpful and lenient in applying them than are others.

You haven't mentioned her nationality: a German citizen would be treated very differently from a South African one.
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Check with any university: the rules are the same across the whole of England and Wales, but some universities are more helpful and lenient in applying them than are others.

You haven't mentioned her nationality: a German citizen would be treated very differently from a South African one.
Thanks, she is a German citizen as she was on my German passport, do you think this will make a difference?
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Thanks, she is a German citizen as she was on my German passport, do you think this will make a difference?
Unfortunately Home (UK) and EU students (on the whole) come under one umbrella with international students when it comes to fees and funding. The residency rule applies.
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Bebsie as I understand it your daughter is an EU citizen and has been resident in England for over three years. If that is so I don't think there is a problem, EU citizens who have been resident her for more than three years are treated as home students.
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Bebsie as I understand it your daughter is an EU citizen and has been resident in England for over three years. If that is so I don't think there is a problem, EU citizens who have been resident her for more than three years are treated as home students.
Have just gone back and re-read the OP. For some unknown reason (?!), I thought your daughter was still in SA! As Mumps says, if she has been here over 3 years - EU, UK or not - she is seen as a resident therefore cheaper home fees!

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Have just gone back and re-read the OP. For some unknown reason (?!), I thought your daughter was still in SA! As Mumps says, if she has been here over 3 years - EU, UK or not - she is seen as a resident therefore cheaper home fees!
I agree.

An important proviso: had she been here on a visa with a fixed end date then she might well have been treated as an international student. Of course, as an EU (German) citizen she enjoys the right to live in the UK indiefinitely, but a South African national in her position might not have been so fortunate.
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Brilliant news, thank you so so much for all your help!
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Bebsie as I understand it your daughter is an EU citizen and has been resident in England for over three years. If that is so I don't think there is a problem, EU citizens who have been resident her for more than three years are treated as home students.
Well more to the point, her daughter is in year 11 now... so along she does her A levels/IB/whatver in this country she'll easily be resident for 3 years.
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Dont worry yourself about that. People at the fees office even seems confused about this. They were all trained by UKCOSA. In as much as she's German, she's ok. Even though on "book", she must be in UK for 3 years prior to the resumption but her EU nationality would make them waive all that.

Good luck.

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My situation is slightly different and I will make enquiries of the advised web sites but I hoped someone might just know the answer to this as well!!

Husband, myself and 16 year old son are all British. Five years ago, when my husband was out of work and couldn't find a job in the UK (and point blank refused to go on benefits), he took a position in the Middle East - which is where we are now and btw, not earning a huge salary . I spend several months of the year in the UK as my parents aren't in good health and had planned on coming back this summer so that our son could do his A levels in the UK and I could look after mum and dad properly while my husband stayed here and travelled back and for, as much as money allowed. As the time draws nearer though, our son says he would prefer to stay and do his A levels here and tbh, we don't want to split our family up even for a couple of years.

So the situation would be that in 2 years time when he wants to start university, even with all of us being British /EU passport holders/citizens, I doubt we would be classed as UK resident. Is there anyway around this? We definitely could not afford overseas student fees. I had thought that if you were a tax payer in the UK that this would no longer be a problem but I'm not sure how we could be tax payers - short of buying property and letting it out . We are all registered with the local GP and NHS dentist (have been for many years and both are aware of our situation) and our son went to the local primary school from reception through to year 6.
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As far as I know, if he's not been resident in the UK for the three years preceding his course, then he won't count as a home student and will have to pay international fees. Studying for his A levels in the UK wouldn't make any difference.

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Holders of a British Passport are not necessarily classed as home students.
Your fee-paying status is primarily based on whether you have been ordinarily resident in the UK for at least three years prior to starting your course. However, this is a complicated issue and if you are in doubt as to whether you should pay the 'overseas' or 'home' rate you should contact the International Office for advice."
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