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    • seven-day-weekend
    • By seven-day-weekend 17th Oct 08, 4:16 PM
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    seven-day-weekend
    Jobseekers' Allowance
    • #1
    • 17th Oct 08, 4:16 PM
    Jobseekers' Allowance 17th Oct 08 at 4:16 PM
    I've read in a couple of threads recently that you can't claim JSA if you are sacked.

    You also can't claim it if you voluntarily leave yur job.

    When exactly CAN you get it then?????:confused:
    I am a Job Club Coach in Association with CAP
    'I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen. Not only because I see it, but because I see everything by it': C.S. Lewis
    St. Augustine 'In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things, charity.'
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  • jonuk7
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    • 17th Oct 08, 4:56 PM
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    • 17th Oct 08, 4:56 PM
    You cant claim JSA for 26 weeks if you voluntarily leave your job without very good reason. As for if your sacked i dont think that is correct as i was sacked and went straight onto JSA.
  • maytaurus
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    • 17th Oct 08, 5:07 PM
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    • 17th Oct 08, 5:07 PM
    You cant claim JSA for 26 weeks if you voluntarily leave your job without very good reason. As for if your sacked i dont think that is correct as i was sacked and went straight onto JSA.
    Originally posted by jonuk7
    My son left his job to go back to college to complete one last course in order to become self employed/start his own business
    then his course was canceled ... to be changed to a later date !
    He was told he couldn't claim JSA
    As you say,if you are sacked you can have £ straight away.....
    It doesn't seem fair to me ... but then ...that's life
    Last edited by maytaurus; 17-10-2008 at 5:10 PM.
  • Sharon87
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    • 17th Oct 08, 5:21 PM
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    • 17th Oct 08, 5:21 PM
    It's because if you left your job voluntarily they may ask why you did it and it may not be suitable. But if you were sacked you have no choice but to leave. I left my old job, a couple of weeks later I claimed JSA, but I could receive it as I moved town. So that's another way you can claim it. If it's a temp job you do and they don't need you anymore, you can claim it then as well.
  • jonuk7
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    • 17th Oct 08, 5:27 PM
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    • 17th Oct 08, 5:27 PM
    basically as Sharon87 said if you leave your job voluntarily you have purposly made yourself unemployed therefore stopped any earnings you had coming in, whereas if you are sacked you have no choice but to leave and stop getting a wage so therefore no money to live on.

    My son left his job to go back to college to complete one last course in order to become self employed/start his own business
    then his course was canceled ... to be changed to a later date !
    He was told he couldn't claim JSA
    As you say,if you are sacked you can have straight away.....
    It doesn't seem fair to me ... but then ...that's life
    Originally posted by maytaurus

    Explain how that is "unfair" sorry but i would happily agree to someone who got the sack getting JSA but someone who just upped and outed then why should they sponge off the system because they didnt want to work?
  • maytaurus
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    • 17th Oct 08, 5:37 PM
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    • 17th Oct 08, 5:37 PM
    basically as Sharon87 said if you leave your job voluntarily you have purposly made yourself unemployed therefore stopped any earnings you had coming in, whereas if you are sacked you have no choice but to leave and stop getting a wage so therefore no money to live on.




    Explain how that is "unfair" sorry but i would happily agree to someone who got the sack getting JSA but someone who just upped and outed then why should they sponge off the system because they didnt want to work?
    Originally posted by jonuk7
    My son did not
    ''just upped and outed ... and did not want to ''sponge off the system because he didnt want to work?''

    You can get sacked (I'm not meaning made redundant or laid off) for lots of reasons,but presumably because you have not been doing your job properly, or had a bad attitude etc
    Then you can get £ from the government
    But if you've always worked and paid into the system .... only stop work because you have arranged to improve yourself and perhaps be able to offer others employment ... you cannot claim anything while you re-organize your life ....
    Sorry but I see this as unfair

    Just my opinion ?
    Last edited by maytaurus; 17-10-2008 at 5:41 PM.
  • Oldernotwiser
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    • 17th Oct 08, 5:58 PM
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    • 17th Oct 08, 5:58 PM
    I've read in a couple of threads recently that you can't claim JSA if you are sacked.

    You also can't claim it if you voluntarily leave yur job.

    When exactly CAN you get it then?????:confused:
    Originally posted by seven-day-weekend
    1. When a temporary contract ends.
    2. When you're made redundant.
    3. When your company moves out of the area.
    4. When YOU move out of the area (I think!).

    There's probably more.

    Don't forget, it's not that you can't get it at all, but that you can't get it immediately, because you're sanctioned for a period of time.
  • ukdickie31
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    • 17th Oct 08, 6:32 PM
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    • 17th Oct 08, 6:32 PM
    Cases are referred to the Decision Maker for 'Leaving Volutarily' or 'Misconduct'.

    Being sacked comes under potential misconduct and should be referred to the decision maker to determine if the conduct of the employee was the reason for the job ending. In order to make this decision, both the Jobseeker and Employer are asked for the reasons the job ended. The decision does take a while to come through and in this time JSA is normally payable.

    Leaving voluntarily is dealt with in a similar way. Question are ased from both the employer and Jobseeker and sent to the decision maker for a decision.

    In both of these scenarios, the maximum sanction is a 26 week sanction.

    Redundancy, end of contract are the normal reasons for job ending that generally don't get sanctions.

    Remember, anyone can CLAIM benefit at ANY time. Entitlement however is a different matter as this needs an adjudication to be made.
    • seven-day-weekend
    • By seven-day-weekend 17th Oct 08, 6:45 PM
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    • 17th Oct 08, 6:45 PM
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    • 17th Oct 08, 6:45 PM
    I always thought you COULD get it straight away if you were sacked (because you haven't left voluntarily) - some answers given on here seem to suggest that too. I thought it was only if you left voluntarily that sanctions were applied.

    So can you or can't you or does it depend upon a decision-maker as mentioned by UKdickie above????
    Last edited by seven-day-weekend; 17-10-2008 at 6:48 PM.
    I am a Job Club Coach in Association with CAP
    'I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen. Not only because I see it, but because I see everything by it': C.S. Lewis
    St. Augustine 'In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things, charity.'
  • bestpud
    You may get sanctioned if you are sacked through misconduct, but not if it is not your fault.

    If you think about it, they can't just give it to anyone who is sacked as the die hard unemployed would just keep getting themselves sacked, wouldn't they?

    Or if someone was getting a bit fed up with their job, they'd do that as opposed to walking out?

    And, as I see it, getting sacked for misconduct is the same as leaving voluntarily (unless we are going to claim employees are not responsible for their behaviour at work) and, as such, should be treated equally by JCP.
    • seven-day-weekend
    • By seven-day-weekend 17th Oct 08, 8:33 PM
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    seven-day-weekend
    Hi bestpud, thanks for your post - it makes sense when you put it like that!
    I am a Job Club Coach in Association with CAP
    'I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen. Not only because I see it, but because I see everything by it': C.S. Lewis
    St. Augustine 'In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things, charity.'
    • seven-day-weekend
    • By seven-day-weekend 17th Oct 08, 8:37 PM
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    seven-day-weekend
    So if you were sacked just because the boss didn't like you, you could receive it straight away, but if it was for , e.g. bad timekeeping and a wrong attitude you would be sanctioned?

    That makes sense.
    I am a Job Club Coach in Association with CAP
    'I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen. Not only because I see it, but because I see everything by it': C.S. Lewis
    St. Augustine 'In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things, charity.'
  • ukdickie31
    Depends on lots of factors. The main one being, did the actions of the Jobseeker contribute to the dismissal and to what extent.

    Remember the maximum sanction for this decision is 26 weeks.

    Sometimes it may be 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.. or no fault at all.

    All depends on the information to hand, given by both employer and Jobseeker and then a decision is made, not just on whether to sanction or not, but also, how long to sanction for.
    • seven-day-weekend
    • By seven-day-weekend 18th Oct 08, 12:54 AM
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    Thanks!...
    I am a Job Club Coach in Association with CAP
    'I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen. Not only because I see it, but because I see everything by it': C.S. Lewis
    St. Augustine 'In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things, charity.'
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