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Old 17-09-2008, 11:52 AM   #1
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I've posted this quite a few times but to get zero spam emails without using any spam filters I do the following:

"I set up about 300-400 email addresses on my domain forwarding to a central address. Of those 300-400 unique email addresses I gave to different companies etc I currently get zero spam without any filters. When in the past I started receiving some phishing emails I could delete the entire email address and not use it any more. It also told me specifically which company passed my details on by which address they were sent to."

So every time I give an address to a company it is unique (amazon@mydomain.co.uk etc). I give a personal address only to people I know personally and are friends and family. That one may possibly attract some spam but nothing like just giving out one address to anywhere. It was pointed out previously that setting up 300+ email forwarders over time is time consuming but I'd argue that it's only an extra minute or two when you fill in a form on a website and compared to the time endless spam filtering and checking spam folders in case it caught genuine mail takes I think my method is far more time saving (and so ultimately money saving). And the idea of looking through spam folders in case of false positives seems to me to defeat much of the purpose of spam filtering. Hence why I'd rather use a method that required no spam filtering.
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But what about spam WAP service messages on your mobile? No one seems to be in charge of these? I've had 4 in the last year (not a lot you might think, but this could be just the beginning), and they're a pain to deal with.

I know who owns the domain that they claim to be sent from, so I will be contacting them about it. So far, I've only ever received pornographic garbage from these people, and I want to know how can they get my mobile's details to send me a WAP service message when I hardly use the internet from my moby anyway??!! :confused: and
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But what about spam WAP service messages on your mobile? No one seems to be in charge of these?
It's still the Information Commissioner's Office. http://www.ico.gov.uk/
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Superscaper's approach doesn't address one problem:
"I give a personal address only to people I know personally and are friends and family."
What if one of those gets a trojan on his PC that broadcasts their email contact list. It happens. Someone I know with an obscure email address (very unlikely to be "guessed") just got 14,000 junk mails over the weekend because her or one of her correspondents has a compromised PC.

My approach is this: I give out an email address that includes month and year (e.g. fred.july08@example.com) and tell people to change the date as necessary. I put these instructions in my email footer/signature.
I keep monitoring the mail from previous months reminding correspondents of the change and close any address that start to get spammed.
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Superscaper's approach doesn't address one problem:
"I give a personal address only to people I know personally and are friends and family."
What if one of those gets a trojan on his PC that broadcasts their email contact list. It happens. Someone I know with an obscure email address (very unlikely to be "guessed") just got 14,000 junk mails over the weekend because her or one of her correspondents has a compromised PC.
I did actually say it may attract spam in the very next sentence "That one may possibly attract some spam but nothing like just giving out one address to anywhere." I don't claim it to be a perfect system but I think limiting it to only one address I think is reasonable enough and I'm hardly stuck with it as I can merely change it if it ever did become unmanageable (which it hasn't after many many years of use).

You must have some amenable friends and family because most of the people I know wouldn't bother continually changing their contact addresses every year never mind every month. Even my own mum only just recently updated my email address (the one I've had for several years) in her contact book.
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I did actually say it may attract spam in the very next sentence "That one may possibly attract some spam but nothing like just giving out one address to anywhere."
Yes but you started by saying "...but to get zero spam emails without using any spam filters I do the following...".
My friend just got 14,000 spams in a weekend because her "friends and family" address got compromised (over 100MB in her inbox).
Yes some people do struggle with the concept of a monthly-changing email address but by keeping the old ones running for a while I can spot the offenders. I actually put an autoresponder on after a few months so they get a bounce with a helpful message. I'd still not claim to get to zero spam but very few make it.

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...most of the people I know wouldn't bother continually changing their contact addresses every year never mind every month...
They'll get used to it, an estimated 50% of email addresses are dropped in the first 2 years of use. (Not only due to excess spam but also job and college accounts that end when the owner moves on or ISP accounts that end when the customer changes provider).
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Yes but you started by saying "...but to get zero spam emails without using any spam filters I do the following...".
Which is a factual statement. :confused: You can't dispute something that's just a fact.

Also you seem to be completely ignoring what I actually said about what I do with email addresses ever were to get spam.
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You both have good ideas on dealing with spam, ive got 1 yahoo uk email address which has 8 filters setup and as such all of my spam i get is sent to my spam folder plus 1 or 2 a week which arent spam,
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It should be illegal to forge an IP address but the responsibiltyl falls to the ISP. Perhaps ISP registration is necessary to start controlling this area!
THEN WE SHOULD SEE THE END OF SPAM!!!!
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Essentially, there are many ways we can deal with the issue here.. Personally, here is what I do.. For personal/business emails, I use a catch-all facility of my email service. so say I email ebay, then id use the address ebay @ mydomain.co.uk. So anything that comes from them will be identified, and if i start to get spam from the address, then I block that one address. (Its their own fault if they let spiders steal addresses from their site, and we know it happens ALOT). For when I sign up for forums, etc, I use a magical service with add-on, courtesy of Trashmail. It lets me set up unlimited forwarding addresses that I can use on forms, forums, sign ups, whatnot. These addresses have options for you to use, like letting the address expire within any time range, or letting you get say only 2 mails to the address, then it expires. Other than that, all i need is, use googles email service, it has phenomenal success at sorting out junk. So good it is, I use google apps with my own domain. I hope this helps you people.
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I've got a question about spam SMS messages. The article says text back with STOP or STOP ALL to stop the messages, but surely this is exactly the opposite approach to email spam whereby the last thing you'd want to do is let them know your address actually exists?

Surely it should be illegal for a company to sign you up to an SMS service without your explicit consent - then there would be no such problem.
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It should be illegal to forge an IP address but the responsibiltyl falls to the ISP. Perhaps ISP registration is necessary to start controlling this area!
THEN WE SHOULD SEE THE END OF SPAM!!!!
I doubt it since the vast majority of spam is sent by many user's computers unaware they're sending it (i.e. ones infected with trojans etc). And people don't "forge IP addresses" they use proxies and dynamic IPs which are used for legitimate purposes as well.
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Use the Bcc field for avoiding multiple contacts in emails:
Just a quick thought. When you send out a message to all your contacts (like those wonderfully amusing chain jokes, charity appeals and thoughts of your day) put the addresses in the Bcc field. This can help (only help - it's not foolproof) to hide addresses from others. I always let people know I don't want my email address included in a round robin 'To' field. It's a data protection issue. Might seem fussy, but you run the risk of being contacted by people you don't know, or spammers. Do you really want to know friends of friends? There's facebook for that.
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I'm a homeowner and appear to live in a highly rented area. Every day I receive a bundle of pizza (etc) junk mail unaddressed to me, and posted by ad hoc local delivery people (I don't know where they come from). I always end up binning the mail, although it's a task I'd rather not have to do.

Any way I can deter these people? I've put up a poster on my door before, and some people have ignored it, and still posted the mail, and if course, errecting signs and notices on ones fron door looks rather tacky in itself?!
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For email spam use a disposable email address:

spamgourmet.com
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soodoonims.com

Sorted!

You can even install a firefox extension to auto-generate the emails so you never have to type.
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Thanks for the No Cold Callers sign. There is one problem with the print out for me, I printed the two signs on one sheet of paper in landscape mode and the largest sign will not fit totally on the page! the red boarder is not printed on the right hand side as I look at the printed document. I think it still needs a little tweaking ? I tried my printer settings but this made not difference.

My Printer is an HP PSC 1315.
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Superscaper's approach doesn't address one problem:
"I give a personal address only to people I know personally and are friends and family."
What if one of those gets a trojan on his PC that broadcasts their email contact list. It happens. Someone I know with an obscure email address (very unlikely to be "guessed") just got 14,000 junk mails over the weekend because her or one of her correspondents has a compromised PC.

My approach is this: I give out an email address that includes month and year (e.g. fred.july08@example.com) and tell people to change the date as necessary. I put these instructions in my email footer/signature.
I keep monitoring the mail from previous months reminding correspondents of the change and close any address that start to get spammed.
Any solution where the sender has to remember things is never going to work or will be more trouble than it is worth.

I suggest that you use a gmail, yahooo or gmx to pick up your mail from whatever.example.com, you can use their mail filter to put certain mail in folders in the online version and then use your mail client (outlook etc) to collect the remaining messages. You can even collect mail in Google then use GMX to collect from Google. Gmail has Marmite mail client (you either love or hate it) but it can't be beaten for spam collection.

I use Yahoo for things like online forums, I subscribe to one that gets over 30,000 emails a year, I don't want to read all of those but by using Yahoo mail filters I can sort 99.9% into folders leaving personal mails in the inbox and all the others sorted into nice logical folders for me.

For your family friends trojan remember this, if the account you or your family use had admin rights then a trojan can run and multiply. So go to control panel, create an admin account called something like Yadmin and set a password. Then login to that account and change all other accounts to limited user. Now you only use the Yadmin account to install software or a new device. If you get prompted to enter your admin account you know that something is trying to install something on your computer and you decline to provide the details. The trojan may still be on your machine (a quick virus scan will find it) but it can't do anything. I set my Yadmin account to not be able to browse by setting a proxy of 10.10.10.10 (or other address that does not exist). I also set the background for the Yadmin account as bland and boring so I always remember I am in as an Admin.

If I need to download something to install I do the download in my limited account and then login or run as admin to install it.

I set this type of system up for friends who bring me their infected PC's and they never get infected again even if they do not have an anti virus program installed. (I still recommend using a free one. It is ideal for kids because if they have to ask you to install something chances are they don't need it.
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Thanks for the No Cold Callers sign. There is one problem with the print out for me, I printed the two signs on one sheet of paper in landscape mode and the largest sign will not fit totally on the page! the red boarder is not printed on the right hand side as I look at the printed document. I think it still needs a little tweaking ? I tried my printer settings but this made not difference.

My Printer is an HP PSC 1315.
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Just go down to your local council, they will have a no callers sticker, it may not advertise MSE but it will be made of plastic and stick on the outside window or porch.
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I'm a homeowner and appear to live in a highly rented area. Every day I receive a bundle of pizza (etc) junk mail unaddressed to me, and posted by ad hoc local delivery people (I don't know where they come from). I always end up binning the mail, although it's a task I'd rather not have to do.

Any way I can deter these people? I've put up a poster on my door before, and some people have ignored it, and still posted the mail, and if course, errecting signs and notices on ones fron door looks rather tacky in itself?!
99% of these are distributed with your mail by the post office. A little known fact is that you can call the post office and opt out of receiving these. It may take a few weeks to kick in but it works. Then put a small tape from a Dyno type machine on your letterbox saying "No leaflets - all vendors will be reported and blacklisted"

Now when you get the odd leaflet you call the person advertising (usually on their 0800 number). You tell them that you have opted out and there is a clear notice on your door. Tell them you may be in the market for their windows (or whatever) but they are now blacklisted.

Now it may not stop all but it will stop most and you can spend as long as you like wasting their money on their 0800, for some I get them talking on loudspeaker then I ask them to guess what the sound is - it is me shredding your leaflet.

This is the link to opt out of post office leaflets:

http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/c...mediaId=500081
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