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  • moneysavingplumber
    • #2
    • 6th Nov 05, 6:27 PM
    • #2
    • 6th Nov 05, 6:27 PM
    Hi Alan, fancy seeing you here!

    I'm in the SE and a decent (grade 3 and part L compliant, personally I only use Range cylinders) quality 42 x 16 plus all the fittings and immersion heater will cost from 150 to 200 including the VAT, depending on what kind of deal you are getting and will take a decent plumber between 1/2 day and a day to complete, depending on the time to drain down and fill up. Don't forget to allow for inibitor to re-treat the heating system. In theory, even cylinder-only changes are supposed to be certified through Corgi to building control now, or inspected but I'm not sure how many installers are actually doing this, especially non-Corgi plumbers. It may be worthwhile making sure it is certified as this may avoid any problems later on when the home-sellers pack kicks in in 2007.

    Total cost should be between 250 and 350, all-being straightforward.
    Last edited by moneysavingplumber; 06-11-2005 at 6:30 PM.
  • alanobrien
    • #3
    • 6th Nov 05, 8:04 PM
    • #3
    • 6th Nov 05, 8:04 PM
    Hi Alan, fancy seeing you here!

    I'm in the SE and a decent (grade 3 and part L compliant, personally I only use Range cylinders) quality 42 x 16 plus all the fittings and immersion heater will cost from 150 to 200 including the VAT, depending on what kind of deal you are getting and will take a decent plumber between 1/2 day and a day to complete, depending on the time to drain down and fill up. Don't forget to allow for inibitor to re-treat the heating system. In theory, even cylinder-only changes are supposed to be certified through Corgi to building control now, or inspected but I'm not sure how many installers are actually doing this, especially non-Corgi plumbers. It may be worthwhile making sure it is certified as this may avoid any problems later on when the home-sellers pack kicks in in 2007.

    Total cost should be between 250 and 350, all-being straightforward.
    by moneysavingplumber

    Thanks for that much appreciated.
    If i have time i will DIY it but given the kids and work i will most likely get the corgi engineer who fitted the boiler to do it, he is a decent bloke so no worries there.......i was expecting about 500 for parts and labour so not far off
  • alanobrien
    • #4
    • 7th Nov 05, 6:46 PM
    • #4
    • 7th Nov 05, 6:46 PM
    He came around this morning and quoted me 430 for the total job inc all parts and labour. Happy with that given how long it would take me to re-pipe it etc.
  • moneysavingplumber
    • #5
    • 8th Nov 05, 12:12 AM
    • #5
    • 8th Nov 05, 12:12 AM
    For what it's worth, I think you're doing the right thing, like all these jobs it's easy until unexpected problems arise. Price might seem a little over the odds but if you know him and trust his work it's a worthwhile investment. I've always been too cheap!
  • alanobrien
    • #6
    • 8th Nov 05, 9:21 PM
    • #6
    • 8th Nov 05, 9:21 PM
    For what it's worth, I think you're doing the right thing, like all these jobs it's easy until unexpected problems arise. Price might seem a little over the odds but if you know him and trust his work it's a worthwhile investment. I've always been too cheap!
    by moneysavingplumber
    I tend to abide by the law of diminishing returns with these things. Yes i could do it but never as well, cleanly or quickly as he could.

    My version of fitting it goes something like this;

    Take off tank jacket
    scratch head a bit
    Stare at pipes
    Put spanner on joint and lean on it
    Spend 5 mins finding a plaster coz the spanner slipped off and i scraped my hand
    Remember i havent drained the system and am thankful
    for the cut on the hand.
    Turn off water
    Drain the system
    Get a bigger set of spanners
    Crack the compression joints
    Mop up the water and gunk that was airlocked
    Cut pipes coz you cant get the tank out otherwise
    Spill more gunk on the carpet make a mental note to check cleaning cost
    Get tank out whacking the alarm box on the way
    Mop up more gunk spilled down the stairs
    Cut more pipework coz the fittings on the new tank are in a different place
    Try to put new tank in place but it wont fit through the door.
    Swear a bit
    Remove door frame
    Put tank in place mark where new pipework goes
    Bend up some 22 mm pipe
    Throw away 22 mm bent pipe as i did it wrong and it doesnt fit
    Solder pipe
    Resolder pipe again as it doesnt look right
    Tape up fittings and screw in place
    Connect flow and return
    Connect inlet and outlet
    Disconnect inlet and outlet and go to Band Q to get the valves i forgot to get
    Cut back pipes again fit valves and reconnect
    Fit immersion trying not to cross thread it
    Stare at surrey flange wondering what it was for
    Give surrey flange to 3 yr old to play with
    Check drain valve is shut
    Go to B and q again to get more fittings to connect up various pipes that go somewhere and do something unknown.
    Stand back and stare at it
    Scratch head
    Find dozens of assorted cloths and buckets
    Ask her indoors to turn on the water
    Madly tighten up various leaking joints
    Mop up gunk
    Refill heating system not forgetting the new inhibiter
    Bleed system
    Fire it up making sure the water tank heats up
    Tighten up more leaking joints that appeared when it got hot
    Mop up gunk
    Let system cool down
    Tighten up more leaking joints that appeared when it got cold
    Mop up gunk
    Refit door frame
    Make a note to redocarate the area
    Pay someone 150 to clean the mess i made of the carpet
    Listen to complaints about the mess i made

    Sit back and have a beer thinking about the
    savings i made


    230 quid labour to save me all that grief BARGAIN
  • moneysavingplumber
    • #7
    • 8th Nov 05, 11:21 PM
    • #7
    • 8th Nov 05, 11:21 PM
    You've left me in absolutely no doubt you've tried it before . Cheers for that.
  • robv
    • #8
    • 10th Nov 05, 7:05 PM
    • #8
    • 10th Nov 05, 7:05 PM
    As long as the cylinder is not pressurised anyone can change it.

    Days work and parts = 350 quid
  • basill
    • #9
    • 10th Nov 05, 11:47 PM
    • #9
    • 10th Nov 05, 11:47 PM
    Had to drop you a Thanks for that, it exactly how all my jobs go, I never learn!!


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