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    sazziecee
    How to best word a letter chasing payment of invoices
    • #1
    • 6th Aug 08, 12:37 PM
    How to best word a letter chasing payment of invoices 6th Aug 08 at 12:37 PM
    Hi

    Been working for my Dad since April, on a local magazine which operates as part of a franchise. The magazine is free and we cover printing costs via selling advertising.

    I mainly do the admin, including the invoices. So far most people have paid (eventually), some after a prompt by a second invoice, or sending an email if we have it on file.

    However we still have some outstanding from April and May and I need to write some kind of letter to chase payment. I am unsure how to word this without coming across too harsh, as because it is a new business we don't want to deter them from advertising again (although some would argue, if they aren't going to pay on time, don't let them readvertise)

    I am also aware we can add late payment charges etc but not sure whether to mention that or not.

    Would something like this be OK?

    I must add, this is the first time I have had this type of role.

    James,

    Despite reminders your previous 2 invoices remain unpaid for your May and June adverts in xxx.

    I enclose another copy of your invoice with our payment details. If payment is not received within 30 days, we reserve the right to add late payment charges to your account.

    We would appreciate your cooperation in this matter.

    ???

    Thanks for any help

    Sarah

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    • timnicebutdim
    • By timnicebutdim 6th Aug 08, 2:27 PM
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    • 6th Aug 08, 2:27 PM
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    • 6th Aug 08, 2:27 PM
    Hi Sarah,

    I work in accounts payable and receive these letters on a daily basis. The best way in my opinion is to telephone every other day or so and speak to the same person each time. If to no avail then contact their manager (i.e. the accounts manager). It's more effective than a letter because something has to be said back and they'll want to get you off their back. It also means you have personal contact which can help develop the business relationship.

    For long overdue debts like this however you need to send formal letters out as well. I would say your letter is fine, I would say address the individual as Mr/Mrs etc.., also mention something about their account is temporarily suspended (as well as late payment charges). Add a contact telephone number in case they want to query something with you. And also add at the bottom "if payment has been made please accept our apologies and disregard this reminder."

    For a stronger letter you can put "payment must be made within 7 days of the date of this letter or the matter will be passed to our solicitors". Keep a record/log of all correspondence in case it does end up in court.
    Hope that helps,
    Tim
  • edda
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    • 6th Aug 08, 2:38 PM
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    • 6th Aug 08, 2:38 PM
    2 points that might help:

    Some companies pay on statement - not on invoice. If you invoice monthly, send a copy of the statement at the same time showing all outstanding invoices. Show all info - incl. value due now and date last payment received (i.e. make it easy for them to pay you).

    Send copy invoices and statements via fax or email (only if you know they can accept attachments) - saves postage and gets there quicker.
    • Savvy_Sue
    • By Savvy_Sue 6th Aug 08, 3:07 PM
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    • 6th Aug 08, 3:07 PM
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    • 6th Aug 08, 3:07 PM
    And also add at the bottom "if payment has been made please accept our apologies and disregard this reminder."
    Originally posted by timnicebutdim
    I might change that to something like "If you believe payment has been made please contact us to discuss the matter."

    I do sometimes get 'chasers' at work, and sometimes it's because we have somehow failed to pay promptly, but more often I can track when the payment was made. When we first started using BACS to make most of our payments we had problems because other people didn't always track our payment, so now we always send an email.

    Others might suggest making my wording stronger, but if I got the first wording I'd want to know why a payment made some time ago wasn't showing on 'your' system, so I'd be phoning you anyway. But you don't want people to sit on their hands saying to themselves "I'm sure I paid that, I'll just ignore it."
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  • sazziecee
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    • 6th Aug 08, 4:04 PM
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    • 6th Aug 08, 4:04 PM
    Thanks for the responses

    The example I gave used a first name, simply because the guy concerned is my neighbour (who I approached to advertise after he did a job for me,and now he won't pay!)

    Otherwise yes I would use the more formal mr/mrs approach.
  • sazziecee
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    • 6th Aug 08, 4:06 PM
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    • 6th Aug 08, 4:06 PM
    2 points that might help:

    Some companies pay on statement - not on invoice. If you invoice monthly, send a copy of the statement at the same time showing all outstanding invoices. Show all info - incl. value due now and date last payment received (i.e. make it easy for them to pay you).

    Send copy invoices and statements via fax or email (only if you know they can accept attachments) - saves postage and gets there quicker.
    Originally posted by edda

    I am not sure what you mean by this... eek!
  • edda
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    • 6th Aug 08, 5:41 PM
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    • 6th Aug 08, 5:41 PM
    I am not sure what you mean by this... eek!
    Originally posted by sazziecee
    Sorry Sarah - didn't mean to make it sound worse than it is.

    It's just that I know some companies sit on invoices and don't pay them until someone chases. Not very nice I know, so once you know which of your customers do this, you can speed up the payment process.

    In my experience, some will 'pay on statement' as a policy - so an early statement helps them move quicker. Others just use this as an excuse when you ring up - if you haven't sent a statement, they will ask for one hoping to delay payment a little longer.

    Some will react quicker to a phone call - they pay suppliers who ring before those who don't chase. So make sure you're one of those who does chase.

    Do I sound cynical? Yes - but I've seen all kinds of excuses. I'm afraid you just have to persist. the good part is if you get into a regular routine of ringing the same named person who can sort your payment out quicker, they get used to hearing from you and it becomes a friendly phone call once a month!
  • ukbill69
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    • 6th Aug 08, 6:08 PM
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    • 6th Aug 08, 6:08 PM
    I give 30 days for compaines to pay. If they dont pay within 30 days, I send them another invoice with overdue and say I charge 12% APR interest on any outstanding amounts. It soon gets them to pay. Also call them up every 2 days you havent got payment. If they are bad payers, get them to pay by card upfront, if they dont like it, then its a customer you dont need.
    Kind Regards
    Bill
  • lesley1960
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    • 6th Aug 08, 7:04 PM
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    • 6th Aug 08, 7:04 PM
    I find most will ignore letters , and quite often phone calls .

    Turning up on doorsteps can work wonders , my husband has been known to do that and sit there until someone signs a cheque lol.

    If you do send letters threatening further action you must stick to and you can file a county court summons online ( even then a % still wont pay ! )

    As to adding charges i think you have to include this in the terms and conditions you should get them to sign prior to doing the job .
  • sazziecee
    Thanks again.

    My bosses (inc my dad) do the actual finalising of orders for adverts, only one I approached and then they took over, in agreeing the deal etc, so they will have dealt with the terms and conditions side. In future though I will make sure they are added to the original order forms (telling my dad what to do!, haha)

    The first set of invoices went out without any due date on them, but then when people werent paying we added the "payment is due within 30 days of invoice date) onto the payment details box on the invoice, payment has been quicker since but still people are delaying.

    I am going to have to start phoning and chasing I guess. I am not brilliant on the phone but going to have to make myself as if nobody pays then the magazine makes a loss and they may have to get rid of me....

    One other thing... One customer messed us about loads, wanted adverts but would never tell us what he wanted exactly and we were chasing him right up to deadline every issue. Words have since been exchanged between the editor and customer and they won't be readvertising, but still owe us 3 months of adverts. It is a branch of Yates wine lodge so I have written a letter to head office (as personal visits, phonecalls, letters all end with us being fobbed off or ignored) but I can't find out the name of the MD or similar to send it to, I want to make sure it gets to the right person to increase the chances someone takes notice of it!

    This is all very different for me, I have always worked in Retail and had a brief spell as a police community support officer so it's just getting used to the way things work I guess
  • gordonstights
    2 points that might help:

    Some companies pay on statement - not on invoice. If you invoice monthly, send a copy of the statement at the same time showing all outstanding invoices. Show all info - incl. value due now and date last payment received (i.e. make it easy for them to pay you).

    Send copy invoices and statements via fax or email (only if you know they can accept attachments) - saves postage and gets there quicker.
    Originally posted by edda
    I agree. I only pay on statement. Always send statements out to customers at the end of month, it really helps them to get organised.

    Haven't read all the replies, but here's what I do.

    Send invoice.
    Send end of month Statement.
    On due date - send pleasant reminder.
    Depending on your relationship with the customer determines how hard you get with them really. Ringing them is the best way really as reminders tend to be ignored.
  • gordonstights
    It's just that I know some companies sit on invoices and don't pay them until someone chases. Not very nice I know,
    Originally posted by edda
    That's business! When people don't pay me on time I don't take it as a personal insult. They are keeping the money in their bank as long as possible to help their business. A letter from a supplier that tells me my invoice is overdue and I need to pay up within 7 days will get a BACS or cheque done immediately. But sitting on invoices is no crime, especially when the supplier haven't chased you.
  • brightonman123
    I would def call weekly at least, and get a promise of payment / reason for non payment - not receiving the invoice is most likely (poor!) excuse.


    fax/email a copy straight away, and request acknowledgement, and/or when payment is to be made. follow this up if no reply with 24hrs.

    giving them a soft contact (any queries etc? please call us..) shows you have tried to resolve any issues, should it go to court.

    reminders should be simple to start with- a/c overdue, please pay.. then nxt one with ACCOUNT OVERDUE IN LARGE BOLD LETTERS!

    I would also escalate each time you contact them, especially if they are unlikely to advertise again.. always get full name of person you speak to!

    make it clear as to the invoice details, days overdue(?), amount o/s, and possible extra costs if not paid in accordance with terms etc..

    if for a larger co, some have a website contact page- use the complaint option if possible, but be polite and professional!

    KEEP COPIES OF EVERYTHING!

    for future ads, can you insist on pre-payment?

    (yes, i am a frustrated out of work credit controller!)
    Last edited by brightonman123; 07-08-2008 at 7:23 PM.
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  • stressedclaire
    unpaid invoice
    Does it make any difference if the 'company' that has not paid the invoice is a registered charity? There was still a signed contract for the work undertaken but not paid for.
  • paddyrg
    Does it make any difference if the 'company' that has not paid the invoice is a registered charity? There was still a signed contract for the work undertaken but not paid for.
    Originally posted by stressedclaire
    No, they are still a business no matter what they do with the money they make
  • heretolearn
    I think few businesses pay invoices these days until chased, everyone has a queue of people to pay, times are tough, cashflow is complicated, no one is going to rush to pay any bill. You can't take it personally and you can't be scared of credit control work. We find phone calls to be most effective, if you make them regularly, and we back ours up with weekly emails, so no-one can say they didn't know they still had to pay us.

    It's the ones who keep coming up with excuses after several reminders you have to worry about, and start to get tough with.
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  • Lovelyjoolz
    Firstly, it sounds like you have alot of repeat, month-on-month business. Why don't you look at getting these customers onto standing orders / direct debits?

    I think my business is in all likelyhood in the minority in that I pay all of my suppliers in 30 days or less. Mostly because the majority of my suppliers are small local businesses whom I would hate to see fail.

    My customers, on the other hand, are a very mixed bag of those who pay early, those who pay on time, those who pay late regardless and those who don't pay until you chase them. You will very quickly learn who these are and so can concentrate on chasing them early. If they owe you a substantial amount, try calling them a week or so before its due, saying "just calling to check you have received our October invoice" at least then you take away the we haven't received it excuse when you chase a week or two later.

    Seriously - don't send letters until you think you might be heading for court. Just keep a careful diary of when you rang, time/date/person you spoke to with what they promised. Phone calls take two minutes and you get instant feedback. With your regular customers you'll quickly build a relationship which, as said previously, can result in a very pleasant, friendly chat once a month. Also, if you're friendly with the purchase ledger clerk, you're more likely to make it onto the cheque run in the first place!
    You had me at your proper use of "you're".
    • Mistral001
    • By Mistral001 25th Aug 12, 11:09 AM
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    I agree with all the people here about sending letters. Do not do it unless you are thinking of taking court action. keep sending reminders or statements. It depends on the business, but my accountant told me that many firms will pay only on their payment date after the 30 days are up which means that phone calls within the first two months are probably going to be ignored with many firms.

    I have found that if you think that you are getting fobbed off then increase the frequency of phonecalls say from once a month to once every two weeks and then every week. Always be polite and businesslike and do not make threats or any implied threats.
    Last edited by Mistral001; 25-08-2012 at 11:14 AM.
    • Savvy_Sue
    • By Savvy_Sue 28th Aug 12, 12:13 AM
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    Note that this thread was bumped by some spam which has now been dealt with. Remaining advice remains sound ...
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  • trailingspouse
    I think of it as a game. We run a small limited company, offering management consultancy services to major companies (yes, you'll have heard of them). We invoice monthly, 30 days terms. At the end of 30 days I send a standard e-mail saying 'Having checked our records, I note that your payment for invoice dated xyz has not yet been received..' 7 days later I ring them and have a nice little chat, during which I just happen to mention that we haven't been paid yet (by this point we've already sent the next invoice out). About a week later, we get the money. And we do it all over again next month. Fun, isn't it.
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