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    • FatherAbraham
    • By FatherAbraham 2nd Jul 08, 1:18 PM
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    Can merchant refund to an expired credit card?
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    • 2nd Jul 08, 1:18 PM
    Can merchant refund to an expired credit card? 2nd Jul 08 at 1:18 PM
    Credit cards expire all the time, of course. If I need to return some goods to a merchant (someone like Marks and Spooky, with a clear, easy refund policy), and I'd used a now-expired MasterCard to buy those goods, will the merchant be able to issue a refund to that card's account? Let's assume I still have the intact, but expired, credit card in my possession.

    Furthermore, what happens if I've destroyed the expired credit card in the meantime (when it expired)? That sounds more problematic, because the merchant has nothing to stick into the terminal.

    Thanks for any clues. I've asked the card issuer too, but haven't been gotten back to yet.

    Warmest regards,
    FA
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  • BB37
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    • 2nd Jul 08, 1:33 PM
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    • 2nd Jul 08, 1:33 PM
    Quick answer: No.

    Where I work if we have to issue a refund to a customer and the card has expired we would normally contact the person and take their new details.
    • exel1966
    • By exel1966 2nd Jul 08, 1:56 PM
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    • #3
    • 2nd Jul 08, 1:56 PM
    • #3
    • 2nd Jul 08, 1:56 PM
    Credit cards expire all the time, of course. If I need to return some goods to a merchant (someone like Marks and Spooky, with a clear, easy refund policy), and I'd used a now-expired MasterCard to buy those goods, will the merchant be able to issue a refund to that card's account? Let's assume I still have the intact, but expired, credit card in my possession.

    Furthermore, what happens if I've destroyed the expired credit card in the meantime (when it expired)? That sounds more problematic, because the merchant has nothing to stick into the terminal.

    Thanks for any clues. I've asked the card issuer too, but haven't been gotten back to yet.

    Warmest regards,
    FA
    Originally posted by FatherAbraham
    Whether your card has expired or not will make absolutely no difference whatsover. The important factor is whether you've closed the account or not. Cards continually expire, but that won't stop the operation of an account.

    OR

    did you really mean can the merchant refund to a closed account ?
    • FatherAbraham
    • By FatherAbraham 2nd Jul 08, 3:00 PM
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    • #4
    • 2nd Jul 08, 3:00 PM
    Refunds to a cancelled credit-card.
    • #4
    • 2nd Jul 08, 3:00 PM
    Whether your card has expired or not will make absolutely no difference whatsover. The important factor is whether you've closed the account or not. Cards continually expire, but that won't stop the operation of an account.

    OR

    did you really mean can the merchant refund to a closed account ?
    Originally posted by exel1966
    Well, that's a good question too -- can a merchant refund to a closed account?

    Of course, if the account has been closed, then any card on the account must also have been terminated (no matter what future expiry date it says on the front of the card).

    Funnily enough, my real current problem is that following some fradulent transactions, my MasterCard provider has cancelled my card, and is issuing a new one, with a different number (I presume that's a different account, then). However, I need to get a merchant refund for legitimately-purchased goods which I'm returning.

    Warmest regards,
    FA
    • exel1966
    • By exel1966 2nd Jul 08, 3:47 PM
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    • 2nd Jul 08, 3:47 PM
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    • 2nd Jul 08, 3:47 PM
    No, it's not quite a different account. Yes the card number will be different but the old and new cards will be linked together, just as if you'd lost a card.
    Any refund could be put back onto the new card with the new number and would then be identified back to your old card.
    • FatherAbraham
    • By FatherAbraham 2nd Jul 08, 5:07 PM
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    • #6
    • 2nd Jul 08, 5:07 PM
    The second card is the way to go.
    • #6
    • 2nd Jul 08, 5:07 PM
    No, it's not quite a different account. Yes the card number will be different but the old and new cards will be linked together, just as if you'd lost a card.
    Any refund could be put back onto the new card with the new number and would then be identified back to your old card.
    Originally posted by exel1966
    Yes, thanks for that. The MC provider has also just told me that the refunds should be made via the new card.

    All I have to do now is convince the merchant that he can refund to a card with a different number to that listed on the receipt without getting blacklisted by MasterCard.

    Warmest regards,
    FA
  • HamiltonL
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    • 3rd Jul 08, 11:08 PM
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    • 3rd Jul 08, 11:08 PM
    Make sure you give them the new card number. If it's transferred back to the old card it sits in a holding account, and is a nightmare trying to trace back and transfer to new card number.
  • drezsa
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    • 11th Dec 08, 1:18 PM
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    • 11th Dec 08, 1:18 PM
    Make sure you give them the new card number. If it's transferred back to the old card it sits in a holding account, and is a nightmare trying to trace back and transfer to new card number.
    Originally posted by HamiltonL
    I was dreading that happening when I rang up for a refund on something back ordered for 4 months. Morgan Stanley sold my Mastercard provider to Barclaycard who issued a new card.

    I told the shop the card had expired and they said they'd send a cheque moments later I got a NoChex email saying the refund had been applied to the old card. Two days later its showing up as a credit
  • One_Day_Rodney
    • #9
    • 11th Dec 08, 1:50 PM
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    • 11th Dec 08, 1:50 PM
    I've had it where car insurance premium refund went back onto a card whose account I had closed. They said it had to go back to the card due to 'money laundering'

    I rang the card company up (CapOne), and they confirmed the refund and just sent me a cheque.
  • savagej
    As many people have pointed out card expired or not, account closed or not the money can go back using the card number that was used to make the purchase and under the merchant aquirer rules it must go back to the same card number.

    It will then depending on your bank go back to your account and you can get it back by either using the card or asking for a cheque (if it has taken you in to credit or the account is closed) or it will go into an account which holds payments that could not be matched to an account and you will need to ask the bank to put it back in to your account.
    • Seamonster
    • By Seamonster 7th Jun 10, 2:03 PM
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    I know this is an old thread, but I hope someone can advise me as I'm in a similar position to the OP. I recived a new Tesco CC this morning, with a different number to my old one. I know the new card is active as I just used it. I am about to return an item to an online shop for a refund to my old Tesco CC, and am wondering whether I will hit problems as it has been replaced. One point to note is that the old card has an expiry date of end July 2010, so I wondered if I will be OK until then? Or does an old card expire as soon as you begin to use its replacement?

    Any advice would be welcome!
  • CannyJock
    I know this is an old thread, but I hope someone can advise me as I'm in a similar position to the OP. I recived a new Tesco CC this morning, with a different number to my old one. I know the new card is active as I just used it. I am about to return an item to an online shop for a refund to my old Tesco CC, and am wondering whether I will hit problems as it has been replaced. One point to note is that the old card has an expiry date of end July 2010, so I wondered if I will be OK until then? Or does an old card expire as soon as you begin to use its replacement?

    Any advice would be welcome!
    Originally posted by Seamonster
    Shoulds be fine, the two card numbers will still be linked. Obviously the sooner you can get the refund sorted the better. I've had something similiar in the past with LTSB and it worked out fine.
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