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We can't find the Septic Tank

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  • Alter_ego
    Alter_ego Posts: 3,842 Forumite
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    Davesnave wrote: »
    It's not a regulation; it's a recommendation on many web-sites.

    The Department of the environment doesn't seem to agree with you, although under the heading guidance it says "you must" Go figure.

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/comply-with-septic-tank-and-sewage-treatment-plant-permits
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  • agrinnall
    agrinnall Posts: 23,344 Forumite
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    Alter_ego wrote: »
    The Department of the environment doesn't seem to agree with you, although under the heading guidance it says "you must" Go figure.

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/comply-with-septic-tank-and-sewage-treatment-plant-permits

    To be read in conjunction with this, so doesn't apply to most septic tanks.

    https://www.gov.uk/permits-you-need-for-septic-tanks/apply-for-a-permit
  • AdrianC
    AdrianC Posts: 42,189 Forumite
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    G_M wrote: »
    As explained, septic tanks need only eriodic emptying
    The p has been emptied already, it seems...
  • Davesnave
    Davesnave Posts: 34,741 Forumite
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    Alter_ego wrote: »
    The Department of the environment doesn't seem to agree with you, although under the heading guidance it says "you must" Go figure.

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/comply-with-septic-tank-and-sewage-treatment-plant-permits
    agrinnall wrote: »
    To be read in conjunction with this, so doesn't apply to most septic tanks.

    https://www.gov.uk/permits-you-need-for-septic-tanks/apply-for-a-permit

    As above, you go figure. :)

    I note the government thinks their rules have been simplified! :rotfl:
  • Tahlullah
    Tahlullah Posts: 1,086 Forumite
    Not sue about England, but in Wales, we had to register all septic tanks with I believe the Environment agency. And you have to keep a record of when it was emptied in case they ask for it, to evidence regular maintenance. Not annually though.

    They do need emptying, because the solids can settle and set at the bottom, thus reducing the capacity of the tank over time.

    You should be able to see evidence of the tank in the garden. If not, it could be that there is no tank and just a run off into the stream. Illegal but effective and cheap for the previous owners.
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  • Davesnave
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    Tahlullah wrote: »

    You should be able to see evidence of the tank in the garden. If not, it could be that there is no tank and just a run off into the stream. Illegal but effective and cheap for the previous owners.
    It's a canal. If there was direct run off to a canal, I'm sure it would have been noticed years ago and reported.
  • Tahlullah wrote: »
    Not sue about England, but in Wales, we had to register all septic tanks with I believe the Environment agency. And you have to keep a record of when it was emptied in case they ask for it, to evidence regular maintenance. Not annually though.
    If the home owners in England can comply with the "General Binding Rules" they don't need to do anything at all.
    Anyone that has a brick built septic tank that still discharges to a watercourse will need to get it converted to an infiltration system by 2020 or if they sell the property before then they need to convert it prior to the sale taking place.

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/general-binding-rules-small-sewage-discharge-to-a-surface-water

    https://www.gov.uk/permits-you-need-for-septic-tanks
  • Margot123
    Margot123 Posts: 1,116 Forumite
    Davesnave wrote: »
    It's a canal. If there was direct run off to a canal, I'm sure it would have been noticed years ago and reported.

    You would be surprised!
    I live in a row of cottages, and when one became empty after decades in the same family, the septic tank could not be located.
    Odd though it may sound, someone came with divining rods and traced it........all the way to the river. There was just a drainpipe where it all 'plopped' out. No one had ever noticed as it was so well hidden.
    A septic tank was installed in somewhat of a rush after that and we are all sworn to secrecy OH DEAR!
  • If the home owners in England can comply with the "General Binding Rules" they don't need to do anything at all.
    Anyone that has a brick built septic tank that still discharges to a watercourse will need to get it converted to an infiltration system by 2020 or if they sell the property before then they need to convert it prior to the sale taking place.

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/general-binding-rules-small-sewage-discharge-to-a-surface-water

    https://www.gov.uk/permits-you-need-for-septic-tanks

    Forgot to add, if in any doubt and you live in England you can ring the Environment Agency on 03708 506506 for specific advice on the regulations.
  • Davesnave
    Davesnave Posts: 34,741 Forumite
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    Margot123 wrote: »
    You would be surprised!
    None of that surprises me; I use divining rods myself and I've been around long enough to have seen an old thunderbox, conveniently mounted over a stream, thus doing away with the bucket stage.....but that was 50 years or more ago now.

    This is a canal we're discussing. Canals move slowly and most of those still left have people who use them and care for them. Fishermen and boat owners would notice things like that.

    The Environment Agency also test water, even on quite small streams such as the one on our land. When they did that back in the 1980s they didn't like what they found, which is why all the septic tanks around here were upgraded at the same time.

    Much more recently, a friend whose land's traversed by another stream, noticed pollution, apparently coming from a converted manor house, so he called in the EA, who followed the pollution back to its source, confirming his suspicions. Two of the flats in this manor house were up for sale at the time, but the next day they weren't, because the EA had put a legal stop on their transfer until an acceptable sewerage system was put in place.

    It's possible this tank feeds into a leach field close to the canal though. So long as there's no black, oily sludge at the surface, the position of that might be hard to find.
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