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    • Careerdeathspiral
    • By Careerdeathspiral 17th Mar 17, 1:38 PM
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    Change career at 28?
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    • 17th Mar 17, 1:38 PM
    Change career at 28? 17th Mar 17 at 1:38 PM
    Hi

    I currently work in the Aerospace industry for one of the largest aircraft manufacturers I'm 28 I begin this career 5 years ago. At first it was my dream job but after 18 months with no new AC bieng designed my role was subbed out and I was forced into a different role.

    At first I was indifferent but after doing the role for over 2 years now I HATE it with a passion its tedious beyond comprehension I also have a less than helpful boss who attempts to bully his employees into doing unnecessary overtime because he thinks it makes him look good.

    Additionlly the company seems to mesure performance by setting you arbitrary and inconsequential "objectives" rather than real world performance ie bieng good at the actual job and getting real results. These objectives are often a word salad of complex sounding buzz words that don't mean anything to anyone except the person paid (no doubt highly) to think them up.

    Much time is wasted on meetings about meetings hours of power point presentation for things that could be explained in 2 sentences and extreme micro management by people who have no knowledge of the job. Point any of this out however and you are"problematic" there is a prevalent culture of "we know it's BS but just keep your head down and go with it"

    Sorry for the rant but I'm seriously thinking of changing career completly somthing not office based. Has anyone jgot any experience of this? Just going for it?

    I'd be interested in hearing from you
    Thanks
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    • Hedgehog99
    • By Hedgehog99 17th Mar 17, 1:57 PM
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    Some employers are stuck in a rut and will only accept a tick list of qualifications and experience, but if you find a company or job advertisement you're interested in, have a go and see if you can convince them that the transferable skills you'll bring to the role would be good for them.

    Some workplace cultures are worth fighting against, and colleagues might see reason, but when it's like you describe, it's not worth it. Get out of there (amicably) and let them get on with it. Sometimes it happens if you didn't realise what the culture was like until you started there, sometimes a turnover of staff can change a culture from one you felt at home with to one you hate and sometimes the company has good reasons for doing it that way, it's just that their reasons aren't compatible with yours.

    Good luck.
    • jobbingmusician
    • By jobbingmusician 17th Mar 17, 5:42 PM
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    28? You're a baby! Yes, go out and grab your dream by the... sensitive bits. You are young enough to train for virtually anything.

    What would you REALLY like to do? Could you bear to stay where you are and qualify through part time study for something else?
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    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 17th Mar 17, 7:44 PM
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    Would you like to stay with the company but move to another department ? Maybe something not office based or is it all office based where you are.

    Or

    Do you want to completely leave and do something your interested in ?
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    • clairec79
    • By clairec79 17th Mar 17, 7:58 PM
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    • 17th Mar 17, 7:58 PM
    I went from working in a jobcentre into midwifery in my late twenties
    • Silvertabby
    • By Silvertabby 17th Mar 17, 8:19 PM
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    RAF Engineer?
    • Careerdeathspiral
    • By Careerdeathspiral 18th Mar 17, 12:06 PM
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    • 18th Mar 17, 12:06 PM
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    Thanks for the replys I am attempting to move within the company to a role that would match my skills as my current job does not. However the experience has left me with a bad impresion of the company with its silly objective based ideology which is why I'm thinking of leaving it entirely.

    I like the idea of becoming a firefighter totally different to my current job and I like exercise and psychical activity.Sitting at a desk doing no physical activity all day make me feel bad like I'm building up anger. Problem is that they don't hire often only ever couple of years and maybe only one or 2 people will be hired. If they hired all the time I would already have applied
    • Careerdeathspiral
    • By Careerdeathspiral 18th Mar 17, 12:11 PM
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    Not RAF I work on civilian passenger jets I dont want to mention the company name but it makes passenger jets there's only two big names to guess from
    • cavework
    • By cavework 18th Mar 17, 12:54 PM
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    You and only you are responsible for getting the job you think you want or are worth..


    Thanks for the replys I am attempting to move within the company to a role that would match my skills as my current job does not. However the experience has left me with a bad impresion of the company with its silly objective based ideology which is why I'm thinking of leaving it entirely.


    Why does the company you work for have to make sure that your aims in life are met? You are obviously not happy there ..you have the ability and the skills to search and find another company willing to employ you ,one that meets your requirements as an employee.?............take some responsibility for your own future here ..
    Last edited by cavework; 18-03-2017 at 1:03 PM.
    • Red-Squirrel
    • By Red-Squirrel 18th Mar 17, 1:09 PM
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    Not RAF I work on civilian passenger jets I dont want to mention the company name but it makes passenger jets there's only two big names to guess from
    Originally posted by Careerdeathspiral
    Air traffic control? That wouldn't be boring!
    • careerdeathspiral
    • By careerdeathspiral 18th Mar 17, 1:46 PM
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    You and only you are responsible for getting the job you think you want or are worth..


    Thanks for the replys I am attempting to move within the company to a role that would match my skills as my current job does not. However the experience has left me with a bad impresion of the company with its silly objective based ideology which is why I'm thinking of leaving it entirely.


    Why does the company you work for have to make sure that your aims in life are met? You are obviously not happy there ..you have the ability and the skills to search and find another company willing to employ you ,one that meets your requirements as an employee.?............take some responsibility for your own future here ..
    Originally posted by cavework
    The company isn't responsible and I never claimed it was! I said I am trying to move to a role that suits me better. I am trying everything I can to move. What makes me want to leave is the policy and ridiculous priorities the company have. Stupid objectives that have nothing to do with the job.

    Example. Your a skilled engineer with a degree in engineering, your job is to help design aircraft BUT you are told by someone in HR with a mickey mouse degree that you have failed your objective to "synergistically extend backward compatible core competencies" and because of this you are a poor employee.

    Example.2 you think spending 2 hours in a Health and safety meeting about how to walk down a flight of stairs safely is ridiculous. You are told you are the problem

    Example.3 Minor Internal processes are prioritized over actual work for our customers because it ticks boxes and make the manager look good on his annual review meanwhile customer satisfaction continues to fall!! Point this out and you are the problem.

    Example 4. Micro managed by people with NO experience or knowledge of your job. Told to do things that do not work. argue that its not the correct way and your the problem. Do what they say and go along with it it fails because of the reasons you said and its STILL your fault.

    could go on forever with these things that frustrate the hell out of me.
    • cavework
    • By cavework 18th Mar 17, 2:16 PM
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    But ..I am really sorry to keep saying this ..if your job does not suite you ? then you must take responsibility for finding one that does ? You can discuss this until the cows come home about the way the company who now employs you could meet your requirements but lets be honest ? You are one in a lot of employees and perhaps , most are quite happy with their job ?
    you have produced a list regarding the problems you have with your existing employer?
    Take that list and use it for potential other employers you apply to, who may offer you a job?
    • Savvy_Sue
    • By Savvy_Sue 19th Mar 17, 12:41 AM
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    28? You're a baby! Yes, go out and grab your dream by the... sensitive bits. You are young enough to train for virtually anything.

    What would you REALLY like to do? Could you bear to stay where you are and qualify through part time study for something else?
    Originally posted by jobbingmusician
    More to the point, could you bear to stay where you are for the next 40 years ...

    Example.2 you think spending 2 hours in a Health and safety meeting about how to walk down a flight of stairs safely is ridiculous. You are told you are the problem
    Originally posted by careerdeathspiral
    To be fair, I doubt if 'just' walking down a flight of stairs safely was all that was covered, and while it might seem blindingly obvious to YOU how to do so, trips slips and falls are the commonest causes of accidents.

    I did a day's H&S and did not consider it a waste of time. Some of the accidents which had happened on stairs were not pleasant. I'm often moving stuff at work which is a trip hazard, because I know the damage which can be done from a 'simple' trip - 8 weeks off work followed by 1 month phased return when I smashed my shoulder to smithereens tripping over our recycling box at home. I'd hate to have fallen down stairs at the same time ...
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    • careerdeathspiral
    • By careerdeathspiral 19th Mar 17, 11:42 AM
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    More to the point, could you bear to stay where you are for the next 40 years ...

    To be fair, I doubt if 'just' walking down a flight of stairs safely was all that was covered, and while it might seem blindingly obvious to YOU how to do so, trips slips and falls are the commonest causes of accidents.

    I did a day's H&S and did not consider it a waste of time. Some of the accidents which had happened on stairs were not pleasant. I'm often moving stuff at work which is a trip hazard, because I know the damage which can be done from a 'simple' trip - 8 weeks off work followed by 1 month phased return when I smashed my shoulder to smithereens tripping over our recycling box at home. I'd hate to have fallen down stairs at the same time ...
    Originally posted by Savvy_Sue

    Some health and safety is common sense but in an office it is largely not needed. As I said I am trying to move but I am weary of office work in general. Imagine if you were told you are an under performer by someone who couldn't do your job, knows nothing about it and the reason why your an under performer? because you didn't "synergistically extend backward compatible core competencies"whatever that means.

    It doesn't mean anything that's my point its just made up buzzwords by someone paid to come up with this nonsense the fact its then taken seriously is even more a joke
    • -taff
    • By -taff 19th Mar 17, 4:10 PM
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    you have failed your objective to "synergistically extend backward compatible core competencies" and because of this you are a poor employee. .
    Originally posted by careerdeathspiral
    That did make me laugh.

    Oh...I feel your pain. I used to work for a company like that. Buzzword city, and it's all about 'perception' not actually doing your job.....
    I now work for a company that is owned by one person, it is refreshingly free of corporate !!!!!!!!, and a move to another department has now cheered the hell out of me.

    Find another job where the culture fits you and you it.
    • Savvy_Sue
    • By Savvy_Sue 20th Mar 17, 12:59 AM
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    Some health and safety is common sense but in an office it is largely not needed.
    Originally posted by careerdeathspiral
    I disagree. Maybe your colleagues are more 'aware' than mine are, but being particularly sensitive to trip hazards it astonishes me how often I have to move boxes, coats or footwear from the middle of the floor where I want to walk. Or move power cables which COULD go round the outside of the room, but as the shortest route is right across the middle that's obviously superior, right?

    Then there's the coats slung over the top of fire doors which should automatically close if the fire alarms go off, but won't because there's a coat in the way. And the high heels and flip-flops worn around the office - in any encounter between a filing cabinet drawer and feet in flip-flops, the filing cabinet will win. And the external chef who came in to work with our clients, who set off the smoke alarm and just carried on working while the building evacuated without either leaving the kitchen to tell staff it wasn't actually a fire, or to evacuate with the rest of us.

    I could go on ...
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    • tea lover
    • By tea lover 20th Mar 17, 8:51 AM
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    Some health and safety is common sense but in an office it is largely not needed. As I said I am trying to move but I am weary of office work in general. Imagine if you were told you are an under performer by someone who couldn't do your job, knows nothing about it and the reason why your an under performer? because you didn't "synergistically extend backward compatible core competencies"whatever that means.

    It doesn't mean anything that's my point its just made up buzzwords by someone paid to come up with this nonsense the fact its then taken seriously is even more a joke
    Originally posted by careerdeathspiral
    I was feeling some sympathy until this point but I can now see why you're being told that you are the problem.
    • themusicisoutside
    • By themusicisoutside 20th Mar 17, 8:57 AM
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    You are still a whippersnapper. I have changed careers three times; started a new one last year at the age of 42. This whole 'grab the bull by the horns' when you are young is extremely outmoded thinking, considering that the retirement age is increasing.

    When I started work, I could retire at 60; now it is 67 and will probably change again.

    Even the whole concept of university study when you are young has changed. In days of yore it was free until a certain age; now you have to cough up several tens of thousands to achieve a degree. Basically the whole concept of achieving by a certain age has changed.
    • TBagpuss
    • By TBagpuss 20th Mar 17, 9:20 AM
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    yes, you can change career at 28. Think aboutwhat you would like to do - moving to an poffice based job may not be for you as it sounds as though that isn't to your taste. I'm nt sure what your current role (that you were originallhired for) is, but you could look at whather it has trasferrable skills to other jobs you might enjoy more, whether that is in design, or engineering, or watever your original role was.

    Do remember that if you change careers you are likely to need retrianing and possibly some further qualifications, and will go in at the bottom again, so be prepared for that - the cost of moving to a new career may be that you have to take a pay cut, or invest some time / money in obtaibing new qualifications. (obviously this will to some degree depend on what type of move you make, and what job you want)
    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 20th Mar 17, 9:55 AM
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    OP you got 2 usernames on the thread, you forgotten the password for the first 1 you created ?
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