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    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 12th Mar 17, 11:44 PM
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    Calling time on PIP
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    • 12th Mar 17, 11:44 PM
    Calling time on PIP 12th Mar 17 at 11:44 PM
    To tell you the truth I have had it.
    What with the replies that I have been getting, and the opinions that I am facing an almost impossible task in turning over the PIP decision, and the lack of help from any outside welfare rights agency I am closing the book on the PIP claim. I just cannot cope with rejection - it is a personal thing.
    I've been told that I should not claim it if I don't need the money, it was my fault that CAB didn't get back to me in time, my fault that I didn't get a 14 day extension from the DWP when I was offered 7 days and worst still, it's my fault that I am ill which makes me irrational and unable to see things/deal with things.

    I just hope that nobody else has to try to cope with what has been thrown at me.
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    • Tommo1980
    • By Tommo1980 14th Mar 17, 8:23 AM
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    Hopefully someone will call time on you!
    • Muttleythefrog
    • By Muttleythefrog 14th Mar 17, 11:10 AM
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    Your choice, you don't know me and you have never met me.
    Of course it said why. I was gobsmacked with the level of the award. I could not in all honesty match the reasons for the award with how I saw myself - if that makes any sense.
    I found out about the report that the DLA people asked my GP to complete when I asked for a copy of my medical file from the GP - a copy was in the pack that he had sent.
    I still have it - dated Nov 2011. Didn't see that there was any relevance in it for the PIP claim as the two benefits are totally different in the same way that Attendance Allowance differs from DLA.
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    I'm a pretty good judge of character. With you it is always shifting sands. So you actually did know why they awarded you DLA but you didn't correlate the award to your view of yourself - perhaps you should have reported that to the DWP as they may have made an error.


    On the last point... as I said.. evidence may have been helpful in future... you couldn't have known at the time. Of course it may be irrelevant to future claims.. just as your old medical evidence probably was for this failed PIP claim that you decided to submit.
    "Do not attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by incompetence" - rogerblack
    • Tipsntreats
    • By Tipsntreats 14th Mar 17, 2:31 PM
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    To tell you the truth I have had it.
    What with the replies that I have been getting, and the opinions that I am facing an almost impossible task in turning over the PIP decision, and the lack of help from any outside welfare rights agency I am closing the book on the PIP claim. I just cannot cope with rejection - it is a personal thing.
    I've been told that I should not claim it if I don't need the money, it was my fault that CAB didn't get back to me in time, my fault that I didn't get a 14 day extension from the DWP when I was offered 7 days and worst still, it's my fault that I am ill which makes me irrational and unable to see things/deal with things.

    I just hope that nobody else has to try to cope with what has been thrown at me.
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    Calm down, you can appeal. Use either the CAB free solicitor, or check in your area for free solicitor (Usually the Law Society). The appeal will be held in a court, so better to be represented.
    Tips x
    Money, money, money
    Must be funny
    • bigbulldog
    • By bigbulldog 14th Mar 17, 4:24 PM
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    Calm down, you can appeal. Use either the CAB free solicitor, or check in your area for free solicitor (Usually the Law Society). The appeal will be held in a court, so better to be represented.
    Tips x
    Originally posted by Tipsntreats
    Don't believe a word that comes from rockingbilly posts as he's a perpetual liar and a fraud .
    • Tipsntreats
    • By Tipsntreats 14th Mar 17, 5:46 PM
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    Don't believe a word that comes from rockingbilly posts as he's a perpetual liar and a fraud .
    Originally posted by bigbulldog
    Oh dear I always get it wrong.
    Money, money, money
    Must be funny
    • Muttleythefrog
    • By Muttleythefrog 14th Mar 17, 10:15 PM
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    Calm down, you can appeal. Use either the CAB free solicitor, or check in your area for free solicitor (Usually the Law Society). The appeal will be held in a court, so better to be represented.
    Tips x
    Originally posted by Tipsntreats
    lol.. he'll find some way to announce things have gone horribly wrong... perhaps the Taxi taking him to tribunal will crash into a UFO and the judge will make the error of not believing it.
    "Do not attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by incompetence" - rogerblack
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 15th Mar 17, 11:26 AM
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    Just to let you all know that despite some of the most ridiculous comments and statements that have been made I have completed the Attendance Allowance claim form and have just returned from the post office after posting it.
    I am not going ahead with the PIP claim (MR or appeal) as it has been made clear to me that given the circumstances the decision will not change either with the DWP or the Tribunal.
    I don't have any recent evidence of any sort (nothing within the past 6 years) as I rarely see the medical professionals. They have done as much as they can and, in their words, 'I have to try to carry on with my life in the best way possible'.
    I haven't attempted to seek any help with the form as it is clear from past experience that they are far too busy to offer an appointment in the foreseeable future (CAB) that is even if they remember to get back to me.

    I have copied the form but again based on previous experience I don't hold out any hope for an award. I would be happy if they just offered me the chance to talk through my problems at a face to face assessment before refusing the claim.

    All I am looking for is that the DWP will agree with my medical professionals and myself that my disabilities actually exist. So far the DWP have made me feel that everything is in my imagination which it is not - just one look at my repeat prescription list should confirm my need to rely on medication both for physical and mental health matters.

    But then I have to accept that anybody can write anything in order to 'chance' an award. Maybe it would be too much to ask of the DWP that they contact my GP?
    I've done everything that I could possibly do.

    I will keep you all informed as the claim progresses.
    • Muttleythefrog
    • By Muttleythefrog 15th Mar 17, 11:48 AM
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    Just to let you all know that despite some of the most ridiculous comments and statements that have been made I have completed the Attendance Allowance claim form and have just returned from the post office after posting it.
    I am not going ahead with the PIP claim (MR or appeal) as it has been made clear to me that given the circumstances the decision will not change either with the DWP or the Tribunal.
    I don't have any recent evidence of any sort (nothing within the past 6 years) as I rarely see the medical professionals. They have done as much as they can and, in their words, 'I have to try to carry on with my life in the best way possible'.
    I haven't attempted to seek any help with the form as it is clear from past experience that they are far too busy to offer an appointment in the foreseeable future (CAB) that is even if they remember to get back to me.

    I have copied the form but again based on previous experience I don't hold out any hope for an award. I would be happy if they just offered me the chance to talk through my problems at a face to face assessment before refusing the claim.

    All I am looking for is that the DWP will agree with my medical professionals and myself that my disabilities actually exist. So far the DWP have made me feel that everything is in my imagination which it is not - just one look at my repeat prescription list should confirm my need to rely on medication both for physical and mental health matters.

    But then I have to accept that anybody can write anything in order to 'chance' an award. Maybe it would be too much to ask of the DWP that they contact my GP?
    I've done everything that I could possibly do.

    I will keep you all informed as the claim progresses.
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    I must say I have never seen anyone say this... if that is what you have interpreted then there is little people can do. People have indicated you may face some difficulties. My advice would be to pursue a MR and appeal given what you said that was you should qualify for enhanced awards on both components following examination of the descriptors. Without your claim form available to you it is extremely difficult to figure out how difficult your situation is for claim. But I hope you have not inferred from what I have said that you should cease your attempts to get PIP.. my advice is clearly to get in control of the facts of your case. But it is your decision... your choice... you have repeatedly (and again in your post) tried to pass the blame for your claim failures onto others... but don't for a minute think you can now pass the buck to me or other people on this board who have given sound advice despite having to navigate through your deceptions. Good luck with your AA claim.
    Last edited by Muttleythefrog; 15-03-2017 at 12:10 PM.
    "Do not attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by incompetence" - rogerblack
    • bigbulldog
    • By bigbulldog 15th Mar 17, 1:11 PM
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    I will keep you all informed as the claim progresses.
    Originally posted by rockingbilly

    Please please don't as I don't think there is anybody interested in what you have to say and post.......

    Also no evidence in the past 6 years your not that bad then are you just another fraud trying it on and getting everything they can Because they can.

    I suppose the AA claim will be given to the grand children as well.
    • teddysmum
    • By teddysmum 15th Mar 17, 1:24 PM
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    Please please don't as I don't think there is anybody interested in what you have to say and post.......

    Also no evidence in the past 6 years your not that bad then are you just another fraud trying it on and getting everything they can Because they can.

    I suppose the AA claim will be given to the grand children as well.
    Originally posted by bigbulldog


    AA seems harder to get, anyway. For instance the other benefits consider whether you have problems preparing meals, but AA seems to just consider your ability to feed yourself a meal, so hard luck if the preparation is the difficult part.
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 15th Mar 17, 1:53 PM
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    I must say I have never seen anyone say this... if that is what you have interpreted then there is little people can do. People have indicated you may face some difficulties. My advice would be to pursue a MR and appeal given what you said that was you should qualify for enhanced awards on both components following examination of the descriptors. Without your claim form available to you it is extremely difficult to figure out how difficult your situation is for claim. But I hope you have not inferred from what I have said that you should cease your attempts to get PIP.. my advice is clearly to get in control of the facts of your case. But it is your decision... your choice... you have repeatedly (and again in your post) tried to pass the blame for your claim failures onto others... but don't for a minute think you can now pass the buck to me or other people on this board who have given sound advice despite having to navigate through your deceptions. Good luck with your AA claim.
    Originally posted by Muttleythefrog
    Saying that I 'may face some difficulties' is quite clearly an understatement. It was made quite clear to me that if I attempted to challenge what was stated on the PIP2 as being the truth and full facts then the difficulties would become unsurmountable. I am not holding anyone on this site to blame. I thank the posters including yourself for telling as it is. I simply could not go through all of that (MR & appeal) on my own which past experience has suggested would be the case together with comments that the CAB or other Welfare Rights organisations are extremely busy. The more I think of what happened, the more I am satisfied that the PIP2 form is itself at the root cause of the situation. Yes I signed it, but in the belief that all was reasonable well. I didn't have the ability to go through the entire completed form. Apart from being unable to read what was written - poor handwriting - I don't have the mental capacity to analyse the statements made in conjunction with the descriptors or case law. If I was able to do that then I would have completed the form myself. I am still waiting for the copy of the PIP2 so cannot be definitive but my gut feeling is that the form and the way it was completed didn't do me any favours.

    I have never been deceptive, I am confused beyond belief. Yes I do 'edge' around matters mainly because I don't really understand everything and by diverting attention away from that inability it hides the real problem and makes me feel better that I don't obviously appear stupid.The thought of making myself look a complete idiot in front of a Tribunal if I have to say to them that they should ignore everything written on the PIP2 and instead rely instead on the revised and current version would be too much to cope with..

    What I believe I should be entitled to is just that, my opinion. My opinion does not count when the assessor/DWP make their decision. My opinion counts for nothing.
    Last edited by rockingbilly; 15-03-2017 at 1:55 PM.
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 15th Mar 17, 2:02 PM
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    Please please don't as I don't think there is anybody interested in what you have to say and post.......

    Also no evidence in the past 6 years your not that bad then are you just another fraud trying it on and getting everything they can Because they can.

    I suppose the AA claim will be given to the grand children as well.
    Originally posted by bigbulldog
    OK, that is your opinion, maybe one day you will get a message like that telling you that no one is interested in your problems either.

    Not everyone continually sees their consultants. There does come a time when they have done all they can and it's up to me to cope the best way that I can. I would suggest you try telling other people that have mental health difficulties that if they aren't seeing their psychiatrist on a weekly basis then there can be nothing wrong with them. I wonder what replies you would get.

    If I did get an award then no I would not pass it all on to the children. As explained in the past, with DLA all I really was interested in was the automatic Blue Badge and the free car tax.
    The Blue Badge could be done via a direct claim to the council and I would retain the 500 a year for car tax out of the award. Whatever is left after paying that, then yes I would give it to the children.
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 15th Mar 17, 2:05 PM
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    AA seems harder to get, anyway. For instance the other benefits consider whether you have problems preparing meals, but AA seems to just consider your ability to feed yourself a meal, so hard luck if the preparation is the difficult part.
    Originally posted by teddysmum
    I have never had a problem in preparing or cooking a meal. I have always been the one to do the cooking especially the one off specials - I was a better cook than my wife. Now we find it easier to buy in chilled ready meals from M&S each week. One of my problems around food is being able to eat it.

    As for why I received DLA. The care element centred almost entirely around mental health difficulties and the mobility element centred mostly around spinal injuries.

    As for Attendance Allowance being harder to get an award, that is the decision that the DWP have to make. I can only report how my disabilities affect my life.
    Last edited by rockingbilly; 15-03-2017 at 2:10 PM.
    • bigbulldog
    • By bigbulldog 15th Mar 17, 2:15 PM
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    OK, that is your opinion, maybe one day you will get a message like that telling you that no one is interested in your problems either.

    Not everyone continually sees their consultants. There does come a time when they have done all they can and it's up to me to cope the best way that I can. I would suggest you try telling other people that have mental health difficulties that if they aren't seeing their psychiatrist on a weekly basis then there can be nothing wrong with them. I wonder what replies you would get.

    If I did get an award then no I would not pass it all on to the children. As explained in the past, with DLA all I really was interested in was the automatic Blue Badge and the free car tax.
    The Blue Badge could be done via a direct claim to the council and I would retain the 500 a year for car tax out of the award. Whatever is left after paying that, then yes I would give it to the children.
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    Who said anything about weekly basis.??????,so NOW your saying you have mental health issues along with everything else you claim to have,but it does not stop you from lifting a heavy mobility scooter onto the back seats of your prestige car and being clever enough to take up 2 normal parking spaces when there isn't a disabled space available just so your car does not get damaged.
    • cbrown372
    • By cbrown372 15th Mar 17, 2:43 PM
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    Lets go back a couple of months....

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5586548

    No need for a BB, wife has one, this is the wife who actually drives the prestige car and picks it, the wife who is so crippled with arthritis she swallows pills by the dozen on a daily basis and already has aids to get her in and out of the the bath. You also mention paying 10 a month for a private health care line to a GP so I'm not sure why you didn't get this GP to file papers on your mental health.

    One thing for sure you say you get confused yet are happy enough to spend hours on here very lucidly posting about your problems but can't fill in a form or indeed read one. Oh and don't forget about being deaf in both ears and having earing aids which you suddenly remembered recently.

    BS, all of it.
    Its not that we have more patience as we grow older, its just that we're too tired to care about all the pointless drama
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 15th Mar 17, 2:48 PM
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    Who said anything about weekly basis.??????,so NOW your saying you have mental health issues along with everything else you claim to have,but it does not stop you from lifting a heavy mobility scooter onto the back seats of your prestige car and being clever enough to take up 2 normal parking spaces when there isn't a disabled space available just so your car does not get damaged.
    Originally posted by bigbulldog
    I will repeat again, we did consider a mobility scooter but given the difficulties it would have caused, as you have pointed out, we never went ahead with the purchase.
    Not now, but always have said that mental health difficulties are in play and have been in play for many years. Hence the evidence, albeit now a little old, and the medication that was originally prescribed by my psychiatrist and continues to be prescribed by my GP.

    Of course my wife takes up two spaces where practical. Given that we spend a considerable amount of money on buying our cars I would prefer that to protect it from the oiks that get pleasure out of damaging other people's property my wife does as much as she can to avoid that happening - I think most people would when they have a car costing in excess of 50,000 In fact our current vehicle when new cost 51,000!
    • bigbulldog
    • By bigbulldog 15th Mar 17, 2:50 PM
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    Now we find it easier to buy in chilled ready meals from M&S each week. One of my problems around food is being able to eat it.

    As for why I received DLA. The care element centred almost entirely around mental health difficulties and the mobility element centred mostly around spinal injuries.
    .
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    Compos mentis enough to go to M&S for your ready meals instead of your normal supermarket.

    Spinal injuries yer right coming from someone that lifts a heavy Motability scooter onto the back seats of a car via a small gap.
    • bigbulldog
    • By bigbulldog 15th Mar 17, 2:52 PM
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    I will repeat again, we did consider a mobility scooter but given the difficulties it would have caused, as you have pointed out, we never went ahead with the purchase.
    Not now, but always have said that mental health difficulties are in play and have been in play for many years. Hence the evidence, albeit now a little old, and the medication that was originally prescribed by my psychiatrist and continues to be prescribed by my GP.

    Of course my wife takes up two spaces where practical. Given that we spend a considerable amount of money on buying our cars I would prefer that to protect it from the oiks that get pleasure out of damaging other people's property my wife does as much as she can to avoid that happening - I think most people would when they have a car costing in excess of 50,000 In fact our current vehicle when new cost 51,000!
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    A 50k car.

    And you have the bloody nerve to try and blag pip and now AA.
    • Muttleythefrog
    • By Muttleythefrog 15th Mar 17, 3:01 PM
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    It was made quite clear to me that if I attempted to challenge what was stated on the PIP2 as being the truth and full facts then the difficulties would become unsurmountable.
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    Bu we don't know what is on your PIP2... and neither do you unless you've got a copy recently supplied to you. For all I know you may have made a solid case for significant relevant disabilities in PIP2 that repeated at tribunal could be compelling without any contradictory evidence such as in the form of a face to face medical report (which we know does not exist). The assumption is the PIP2 is dreadful and the DWP have utilised it to deny you PIP... but that's not necessarily so.
    "Do not attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by incompetence" - rogerblack
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 15th Mar 17, 3:40 PM
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    Lets go back a couple of months....

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5586548

    No need for a BB, wife has one, this is the wife who actually drives the prestige car and picks it, the wife who is so crippled with arthritis she swallows pills by the dozen on a daily basis and already has aids to get her in and out of the the bath.
    Correct. She was awarded her BB by the council. Yes she is the only driver, I can't drive due to one of my conditions, the type of drugs that I am on and last had a valid licence in 1998. Yes she is on various items of medication, pain relief, water retention, sleeping tablets etc etc. Yes her main problem is Arthritis and she does have a aid to help her get into and out of the bath supplied by Social Services.

    You also mention paying 10 a month for a private health care line to a GP so I'm not sure why you didn't get this GP to file papers on your mental health.
    Google 'Benenden Healthcare to find out what it covers and how much we pay.

    One thing for sure you say you get confused yet are happy enough to spend hours on here very lucidly posting about your problems but can't fill in a form or indeed read one.
    Yes quite happy, it is the highlight of my day. But no, I don't really understand how PIP works and what to show on the form so needed help.

    Oh and don't forget about being deaf in both ears and having earing aids which you suddenly remembered recently.
    Yes hearing aids in both ears. Consequently with those my hearing loss is not a disability - maybe they are aids, but certainly not a disability that needs reporting to the DWP. Besides which I can probably hear better now than I have ever done - the magic of them is wonderful.

    BS, all of it.
    Originally posted by cbrown372
    Your opinion and given that you have never offered any advice or help (which is the purpose of this forum), what you think is of no concern to me.
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