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    • lonestarfan
    • By lonestarfan 20th Mar 17, 9:04 PM
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    Can I get Windows 7 free to replace vista
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    • 20th Mar 17, 9:04 PM
    Can I get Windows 7 free to replace vista 20th Mar 17 at 9:04 PM
    Grandmas PC currently has vista on it. I ran the Windows update advisor and it says e PC is suitable for Windows 7 32 bit home premium but when I follow the link it goes to Microsoft page about Windows 10.
    Am I able to get windows 7 free and if so how do I get it and how do I get a product key.
    Thanks
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    • Tarambor
    • By Tarambor 20th Mar 17, 9:43 PM
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    • 20th Mar 17, 9:43 PM
    No. You're going to have to pay for it.
    • Neil Jones
    • By Neil Jones 20th Mar 17, 10:12 PM
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    • 20th Mar 17, 10:12 PM
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    • 20th Mar 17, 10:12 PM
    If you can still get it, as 7 Home Premium is discontinued. There are a few Pro editions still floating around but they're obviously more expensive compared to Home.

    In a large chunk of cases if a machine is running Vista it will be at least eight years old now and may not be Windows 10 capable.
    • emptybox
    • By emptybox 20th Mar 17, 11:00 PM
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    • 20th Mar 17, 11:00 PM
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    • 20th Mar 17, 11:00 PM
    If the computer was made for Vista, then it'll almost certainly run Windows 10 without issue.

    If it's an older XP machine that's been 'upgraded' to Vista, then it may still be capable of running Windows 10, but would depend on the processor.

    Won't be free though.
    • SouthUKMan
    • By SouthUKMan 21st Mar 17, 12:13 AM
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    • 21st Mar 17, 12:13 AM
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    • 21st Mar 17, 12:13 AM
    Windows 7 was only ever a paid for operating system. Please also bear in mind that Windows 7 was first released in 2009, and it is therefore nearly eight years old. It is no longer sold by Microsoft... so even if you were able to 'upgrade' to Windows 7, the fact is that you will be upgrading to another out of date operating system (albeit one that is a little newer and more stable than Vista).

    If you really do still want to get Windows 7 on your grandma's PC, there are sellers on eBay who claim to be selling legitimate Windows 7 install discs and licenses. I'm sure that some of them will indeed be legitimate, however there will also no doubt be pirated software as well. Telling the difference at the time of purchase can be near impossible. Far better is to invest in upgrading to Windows 10 - assuming your hardware is compliant. It is the current Microsoft OS and is likely to be supported by software developers for a good number of years yet. Compared to Vista, it will also be the most secure.

    As already helpfully pointed out by emptybox, a PC made for Vista will more than likely be able to run Windows 10... as Vista was quite a resource heavy OS, where as Windows 10 is quite streamlined in comparison. However, there can be a big real world difference between a PC being able to run Windows 10, and it being pleasant to use (with potentially slow loading and processing times). A PC made for Vista is likely to be nudging on for a decade old (Vista was first released late 2006), so the performance will not be anywhere near on a par even with today's most budget computers. If the computer was previously upgraded to Vista, then it could potentially be heading on for a decade and a half in age. In which case, you're on a hiding to nothing!

    A quick final thought, if your grandma's PC is of Vista vintage then any similar age peripherals she may have such as a printer, scanner, etc might not work with Windows 7 or 10. Hardware manufacturers are not interested in writing new driver software to support older devices on newer operating systems. So, overall you might think it better to invest in a budget Windows 10 based system. Compared to what your grandma is likely to be using at the moment, even a very low end Windows 10 PC will more than likely feel like a dream in comparison!
    Last edited by SouthUKMan; 21-03-2017 at 12:21 AM.
    • were
    • By were 21st Mar 17, 2:08 AM
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    • 21st Mar 17, 2:08 AM
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    • 21st Mar 17, 2:08 AM
    you may find that you need to purchase another PC for grandma, especially since most OS these days are x64 base and tend to use more ram.

    If she just uses the basics, and no odd peripherals, would be mindful of the printer too, would suggest linux Zorin, as it is free, sort of windows 7 look a like making transition easier than Mint, and both do a x32 version, and would probably work ok on her old computer

    Windows 10 in most parts is only available now in x64 versions, although there is a x32 for tablets out.
    • NiftyDigits
    • By NiftyDigits 21st Mar 17, 4:38 AM
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    • 21st Mar 17, 4:38 AM
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    • 21st Mar 17, 4:38 AM
    Perhaps. What is the Service Tag on the machine?
    • unforeseen
    • By unforeseen 21st Mar 17, 7:12 AM
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    • 21st Mar 17, 7:12 AM
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    • 21st Mar 17, 7:12 AM
    Perhaps. What is the Service Tag on the machine?
    Originally posted by NiftyDigits
    What makes you think it's a Dell?
    • GunJack
    • By GunJack 21st Mar 17, 8:17 AM
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    • 21st Mar 17, 8:17 AM
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    • 21st Mar 17, 8:17 AM
    What makes you think it's a Dell?
    Originally posted by unforeseen
    OP tells us so in the browser for vista thread
    ......Gettin' There, Wherever There is......
    • alexhardy
    • By alexhardy 21st Mar 17, 8:38 AM
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    No u can't
    Sure, the OS is old in technology terms, but that doesn’t mean that it’s worthless. Windows has always been a paid product and Windows 7 is no exception, even now when Microsoft no longer sells the software. Up until recently it was possible to download the ISO (an installable digital copy) of Windows 7 from Microsoft for free, but you still needed the Product Key to activate the system. Now this feature has been removed, and the site requires the Product Key before you can even begin the download. Trial versions also offered 30 days at no cost, but even these seem to have fallen by the wayside as the platform ages.
    Your signature has been removed by the forum team - please read the forum rules for an explanation of what is and isn't allowed in your signature.
    • bouicca21
    • By bouicca21 21st Mar 17, 9:20 AM
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    What does grandma want to do that she can't do with Vista? If it does what she wants, why bother trying to upgrade?
    • Rubidium
    • By Rubidium 21st Mar 17, 9:49 AM
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    no u can't
    sure, the os is old in technology terms, but that doesn’t mean that it’s worthless.

    vista is worthless and always has been!

    No more support from microsoft whereas Win7, a far superior OS will be supported until at least 2020.


    windows has always been a paid product and windows 7 is no exception, even now when microsoft no longer sells the software. Up until recently it was possible to download the iso (an installable digital copy) of windows 7 from microsoft for free, but you still needed the product key to activate the system. Now this feature has been removed, and the site requires the product key before you can even begin the download. Trial versions also offered 30 days at no cost, but even these seem to have fallen by the wayside as the platform ages.

    it is certainly not difficult to download a win7 iso and product keys are very easily available for next to nothing!

    Originally posted by alexhardy

    .................
    • psychic teabag
    • By psychic teabag 21st Mar 17, 10:10 AM
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    What does grandma want to do that she can't do with Vista? If it does what she wants, why bother trying to upgrade?
    Originally posted by bouicca21
    My MIL was in a similar position - Vista was adequate for her needs, but was running a bit slow. But she was getting a bit freaked about the warnings about the imminent end of support for Vista.

    I went up a couple of weeks ago and put linux mint on. She hasn't complained yet... (time will tell...) Printer and network all worked fine, which is probably about all she needs. Unfortunately, the laptop battery is knackered, so need to make a decision soon about whether to buy a new battery for a near-obsolete (but adequate) machine, or spend money on another laptop that's way more powerful than she needs.
    • lonestarfan
    • By lonestarfan 21st Mar 17, 10:17 AM
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    Perhaps. What is the Service Tag on the machine?
    Originally posted by NiftyDigits
    I think this the service tag is - 811QX2J
    Although last time o gave you this tag you researched it and it came up as a different computer for some reason.
    It's a Dell Dimension E21
    I added 1 GB of ram myself a few years ago so it's now 3GB.
    Think we bought the Dell in 2007.
    It's got disk space free of 38.5 GB of 148 GB.
    Thanks for any help you can give .
    • frugalmacdugal
    • By frugalmacdugal 21st Mar 17, 10:38 AM
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    Hi,

    Unfortunately, the laptop battery is knackered, so need to make a decision soon about whether to buy a new battery for a near-obsolete (but adequate) machine, or spend money on another laptop that's way more powerful than she needs.
    Originally posted by psychic teabag
    does she use it as a laptop, I mean carry it about, use it on trains, cafe to cafe, if not then just take battery out and plug into mains.

    In reply to OP, I had Samsung R710 on Vista Home Premium, just plugged in at home, battery removed.

    It was getting slow, and bugging me, so decided, as it was never out of house to go back to a pc.

    I got one of the Dell ex office type things on ebay for £50, (Dell Optiplex 710) with Win 7 Home Professional already installed, got a monitor on ebay for £15, keyboard Argos for £6.

    Whole set up about £70, does the job for me, and if I get a couple of years out of it, I'm happy.
    Y'all take care now.
    • psychic teabag
    • By psychic teabag 21st Mar 17, 10:50 AM
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    Hi,

    does she use it as a laptop, I mean carry it about, use it on trains, cafe to cafe, if not then just take battery out and plug into mains.
    Originally posted by frugalmacdugal
    Never takes it out of the house. That was one reason I tried to dissuade her from bothering about the battery, since running it plugged in doesn't seem that big a deal. It's one of those little things - the power cable isn't quite long enough to reach from socket to chair. if it was me, I'd just use an extension cable and be done with it, but she's the sort of person that would tidy everything away while not in use. So using the computer would then mean having to fetch the extension lead, plug everything together, etc, etc.

    I think it had already got to the stage that she only unplugged it from the mains in order to carry it through to the back room to plug into the (usb) printer, but now it's possibly not even lasting long enough to do that. (Possibly linux's fault - maybe it's just the alert levels have been set too high - didn't have time to check all that out.)

    She is talking about buying a new wireless printer, but that's not very money-saving (esp since she's only just bought ink for this one), so I'm just about to send up an openwrt-flashed router to act as a wireless printer-server ;-) Finger's crossed it will just plug in and work first time. (Getting the router to allocate a fixed IP address is probably the main challenge.)
    • NiftyDigits
    • By NiftyDigits 21st Mar 17, 2:58 PM
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    I think this the service tag is - 811QX2J
    Although last time o gave you this tag you researched it and it came up as a different computer for some reason.
    It's a Dell Dimension E21
    I added 1 GB of ram myself a few years ago so it's now 3GB.
    Think we bought the Dell in 2007.
    It's got disk space free of 38.5 GB of 148 GB.
    Thanks for any help you can give .
    Originally posted by lonestarfan
    There is both good and bad news.

    It's possible, though not without risk.

    That's the good news

    The bad news is that it will need to be a clean install, so something will need to be done with the 90 GB of data stored on the hard drive.

    Anyway, you can worry about that later.

    The first step would be to find an empty USB flash drive and make it 'bootable'.

    Take the empty USB Flash Drive(size not that important, though small capacity is good), plug it in, then download and run Rufus and use these settings:



    No reason to touch Cluster Size or Volume Label and you may prefer to use MS-DOS instead of FreeDOS.

    Click Start and let Rufus do it's thing.

    Once complete, click here to download and save the three files needed for the firmware update.

    Download and save and then drag/send/copy the contents of the folder(the three files within, not the folder itself) on to your newly bootable USB flash drive..
    Once done, choose to make the USB flash drive the drive from which the desktop boots. You do that by pressing the F12 key soon after you press the power button or as soon as the machine begins to restart.
    Once you have done that and boot on to the USB Flash drive, it will begin the BIOS update. Let it do it's thing.
    Once complete, reboot if necessary.
    It could all go horribly wrong, but hey ho, it's an old machine.

    Once that is done, we'll deal with the installation of Windows 7.
    • NiftyDigits
    • By NiftyDigits 21st Mar 17, 3:03 PM
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    My MIL was in a similar position - Vista was adequate for her needs, but was running a bit slow. But she was getting a bit freaked about the warnings about the imminent end of support for Vista.

    I went up a couple of weeks ago and put linux mint on. She hasn't complained yet... (time will tell...) Printer and network all worked fine, which is probably about all she needs. Unfortunately, the laptop battery is knackered, so need to make a decision soon about whether to buy a new battery for a near-obsolete (but adequate) machine, or spend money on another laptop that's way more powerful than she needs.
    Originally posted by psychic teabag
    Brand name and model number?
    • psychic teabag
    • By psychic teabag 21st Mar 17, 3:45 PM
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    Unfortunately, the laptop battery is knackered, so need to make a decision soon about whether to buy a new battery for a near-obsolete (but adequate) machine, or spend money on another laptop that's way more powerful than she needs.
    Brand name and model number?
    Originally posted by NiftyDigits
    It's a Compaq CQ60 IIRC
    • NiftyDigits
    • By NiftyDigits 21st Mar 17, 4:45 PM
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    It's a Compaq CQ60 IIRC
    Originally posted by psychic teabag
    I would need the full model number, such as CQ60-615DX....
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