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    • serenaly
    • By serenaly 21st Feb 17, 4:49 PM
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    Pip assessment
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    • 21st Feb 17, 4:49 PM
    Pip assessment 21st Feb 17 at 4:49 PM
    Well I received my face to face assessment appointment which was very conveniently 35 miles away from my house!!
    I suffer from PTSD, severe anxiety and depression and do not own a car or drive, there is no way that I could make a journey of that length on public transport or cab with a stranger. However I phoned the number and they were very good and arranged a new appointment that was around the corner from me. Which begs the question why on earth would you try and send people 36 miles away for their appointment?
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    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 10th Mar 17, 6:12 PM
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    Well, just an update had my assessment yesterday after the first appointment was cancelled by ATOS. It was extremely stressful and I ended out breaking my elastic band comforter! My husband was trying to frantically tie it back together whilst the assessor kindly rang through to reception to ask for a replacement. They didn't have one! In the end I had got into such a state that she directed all the questions to my husband apart from at the last point, when she started to ask me mental maths questions, I had to use my fingers and got so frustrated I started banging my head with my fist just to jar some brain power! She seemed sympathetic enough and opened a window, offered me tissues etc. However, her final sentence was "I want to wish you luck with your application" made me think erm I guess PTSD, GAD, Depression and eating disorder is not enough then. I might be wrong though!
    Originally posted by serenaly
    I remember at one assessment that I went to that the assessor was completely flummoxed when I said that I wouldn't want their job. Having to decide if the claimant is telling the truth both on the claim form and giving verbal evidence or if it is one complete elaborate scam and everything including the evidence is all window dressing.
    • Muttleythefrog
    • By Muttleythefrog 10th Mar 17, 6:22 PM
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    I didn't think that they had the right to ask someone other than the claimant?
    I was told when I asked ATOS before one of my ESA assessments that someone can come with you but will not be allowed to participate in the assessment. Hence why my wife always sat outside in the waiting area.
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    They can participate but usually the HCP will want the answers from the horse's mouth so to speak... but that may not always be possible.
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    • serenaly
    • By serenaly 10th Mar 17, 6:39 PM
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    When I said directly to my husband I meant about what he does for me ie dealing with my medication, cooking, escorting me places. But there were some points when he just stepped in and spoke directly to assessor simply because I couldn't I found the whole process awful, but in saying that It is because of the reasons why I am suffering the disorders that I am, I do not want to put other people off. I just don't believe that I could put myself through that again.
    • serenaly
    • By serenaly 21st Mar 17, 4:58 PM
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    Well received the ATOS report today (no decision yet) in fairness I have to say it was quite an accurate report and said that I was flushed sweating and wringing hands/pinching myself. The only thing I didn't agree with was minor that "I didn't look tired" I felt this was a little unfair as this was the first time I had met this person and not sure that they can fairly judge that.However looking at the descriptors and scores looks like I have scored 7 got daily living and 4 for mobility so there is a chance that "computer says no!"
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 21st Mar 17, 8:14 PM
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    Well received the ATOS report today (no decision yet) in fairness I have to say it was quite an accurate report and said that I was flushed sweating and wringing hands/pinching myself. The only thing I didn't agree with was minor that "I didn't look tired" I felt this was a little unfair as this was the first time I had met this person and not sure that they can fairly judge that.However looking at the descriptors and scores looks like I have scored 7 got daily living and 4 for mobility so there is a chance that "computer says no!"
    Originally posted by serenaly
    Oh dear those points don't sound too good for your award. Although nothing is final until the DM makes a decision. You may want to start thinking about whether you're going to ask for the Mandatory Reconsideration (MR) but you said above that the report was quite accurate.
    • serenaly
    • By serenaly 21st Mar 17, 8:26 PM
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    Oh dear those points don't sound too good for your award. Although nothing is final until the DM makes a decision. You may want to start thinking about whether you're going to ask for the Mandatory Reconsideration (MR) but you said above that the report was quite accurate.
    Originally posted by poppy12345
    Yes, I have already thought that what confused me was that the assessor suggested a review in 2 years? I don't know whether that is standard on these reports as just a gauge for the DM.
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 21st Mar 17, 9:57 PM
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    Yes, I have already thought that what confused me was that the assessor suggested a review in 2 years? I don't know whether that is standard on these reports as just a gauge for the DM.
    Originally posted by serenaly
    Yes they usually suggest a review date. What they mean buy this that they're saying your condition will remain the same for that length of time. They will do the same for those that don't get any award. Hopefully for you the DM will go against the report and you'll get that 1 extra point for an award. They don't often go against the report but it can happen. Good luck.
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 22nd Mar 17, 8:21 PM
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    Yes they usually suggest a review date. What they mean buy this that they're saying your condition will remain the same for that length of time. They will do the same for those that don't get any award. Hopefully for you the DM will go against the report and you'll get that 1 extra point for an award. They don't often go against the report but it can happen. Good luck.
    Originally posted by poppy12345
    Just a question to clarify for the OP.
    If you don't get an award but give a review date of two years - does that mean that if you put in a new claim before the two year period is up they will automatically refuse it on those grounds?
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 22nd Mar 17, 10:03 PM
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    Just a question to clarify for the OP.
    If you don't get an award but give a review date of two years - does that mean that if you put in a new claim before the two year period is up they will automatically refuse it on those grounds?
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    Highly possible yes because in there opinion your condition will remain the same for that length of time.
    • Newly retired
    • By Newly retired 23rd Mar 17, 9:11 AM
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    As far as I know there is nothing to stop a claimant putting in a fresh claim once theirs is turned down. For example if someone filled in their form without help and scored 0 points, is there anything to stop them getting proper help eg from CAB or Welfare Rights to make a fresh claim, rather than go for a MR.?
    • arenaman
    • By arenaman 23rd Mar 17, 9:32 AM
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    My son had a home assessment but we never requested one and we could have easily driven him to an appointment, the letter just said they would be attending our home at a certain time and date so we thought this must be the norm.
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 23rd Mar 17, 9:43 AM
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    As far as I know there is nothing to stop a claimant putting in a fresh claim once theirs is turned down. For example if someone filled in their form without help and scored 0 points, is there anything to stop them getting proper help eg from CAB or Welfare Rights to make a fresh claim, rather than go for a MR.?
    Originally posted by Newly retired
    Nothing stopping you putting in a new claim if you're refused first time, but what's the point? They could very easily think because you've only just be refused and refuse you again without an assessment. May as well go for the MR then Appeal Tribunal at least this way you'll get back dated money from the day you applied (unless transfering from DLA of course)
    • rockingbilly
    • By rockingbilly 23rd Mar 17, 10:53 AM
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    Nothing stopping you putting in a new claim if you're refused first time, but what's the point? They could very easily think because you've only just be refused and refuse you again without an assessment. May as well go for the MR then Appeal Tribunal at least this way you'll get back dated money from the day you applied (unless transfering from DLA of course)
    Originally posted by poppy12345
    Hello Poppy,
    I can see your reasoning and given what you say, what point is there in going for a MR and then an appeal for those like me that have had their DLA closed down because of the 0 points PIP decision if even they win, the award will not be backdated? Isn't it best for those that are transferred to put in a new claim instead of appeal, at least that way the award would go from the date the new claim is received?
    • Ames
    • By Ames 23rd Mar 17, 12:06 PM
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    Hello Poppy,
    I can see your reasoning and given what you say, what point is there in going for a MR and then an appeal for those like me that have had their DLA closed down because of the 0 points PIP decision if even they win, the award will not be backdated? Isn't it best for those that are transferred to put in a new claim instead of appeal, at least that way the award would go from the date the new claim is received?
    Originally posted by rockingbilly
    It would be backdated, but to the date of the PIP decision, or to the last DLA payment.
    Last edited by Ames; 23-03-2017 at 12:47 PM.
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    • Tommo1980
    • By Tommo1980 23rd Mar 17, 12:32 PM
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    A home assessment is the norm in some areas. It depends where you live.

    Tom
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