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    • Elizabeth2006
    • By Elizabeth2006 20th Mar 17, 9:58 AM
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    Organising a craft fair
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    Organising a craft fair 20th Mar 17 at 9:58 AM
    I'm getting together with a small group of other sellers to organise our own event - we'll have craft stalls and local businesses. We're hoping to make a small profit which we will use to advertise and fund future events. Does anyone have any experience of this in terms of taxation?
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    • Silvertabby
    • By Silvertabby 20th Mar 17, 12:35 PM
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    Can't help with your tax enquiry, I'm afraid, but don't forget about public liability insurance, pat testing of portable electric devices, health and safety, fire regs, etc, etc. I'd have thought taxation would have been the least of your worries!
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    My local Church Hall includes Public Liability in its hire and has PAT tested leads.
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    My local Church Hall includes Public Liability in its hire and has PAT tested leads.
    Originally posted by Robin9
    Yes, but are they happy for you to plug in other items?

    I think if you search this board you'll find someone else who's done something very similar.

    I'd say publicity is going to be a challenge: you have to get the date out there, in as many different ways as possible, and in a way that makes people think "oh yes I'd like to go to that!" All your stall holders need to get the word out to, to all their friends and relations, friends of friends and relations, friends and relations of neighbours, children, pets ...
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    • Jo_F
    • By Jo_F 21st Mar 17, 5:59 AM
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    your stall holders also have to have their own insurance and PAT testing if they are using anything electrical
    • Charityworker
    • By Charityworker 23rd Mar 17, 1:59 PM
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    I organise craft fairs and I have been doing it for 3 years. You'll have to have event organisers insurance covered up to whatever the hall stipulate but I wouldn't recommend anything under 10 million. You'll have to advertise it as if your life depends on it otherwise people won't come. There's so many other craft fairs going on that you will need a usp. A free gift for anyone who comes or something like that. I buy a box of 50 wooden roses which are quite cheap and hand them out. Don't charge people to go in otherwise they won't buy when they get in there. Be strict on table sizes. If your telling them their table shouldn't be anything less than 6ft make sure they stick to it. A lot of crafters like to push it by bringing an extra stool to put things on or an easel to hang things on. Fine if your thin on bookings and want to make the hall look full but if your fully booked make sure they stick to their 6ft and take a tape measure. Be prepared for the one or to crafters who don't sell anything and want to blame you. Even if the person on the table next to them has sold loads they will still say it's your fault they didn't sell anything. It's usually because their items are rubbish or because they've priced them too high or because they've sat behind their table staring at theit phone all day. Also get rid of any thoughts that crafters are all happy hippy go lucky people. A few of them are nice but apart from that I've never met such a bunch of snidey two faced spiteful vindictive people in my life. I've organised about 70 fairs in 3 years and organised them for other organisations and I've only had 5 where I haven't had a nasty message from at least one stall holder afterwards. And I've had a few who have ended up being quite threatening and I've feared for my safety and who have tried to shut my whole business down. I've even had a couple of death threats and had to get the police involved! It's definitely not for the feint hearted. Hope I haven't put you off. Just telling it like it is.
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    Be prepared for the one or to crafters who don't sell anything and want to blame you. Even if the person on the table next to them has sold loads they will still say it's your fault they didn't sell anything. It's usually because their items are rubbish or because they've priced them too high or because they've sat behind their table staring at theit phone all day. Also get rid of any thoughts that crafters are all happy hippy go lucky people. A few of them are nice but apart from that I've never met such a bunch of snidey two faced spiteful vindictive people in my life. I've organised about 70 fairs in 3 years and organised them for other organisations and I've only had 5 where I haven't had a nasty message from at least one stall holder afterwards. And I've had a few who have ended up being quite threatening and I've feared for my safety and who have tried to shut my whole business down. I've even had a couple of death threats and had to get the police involved! It's definitely not for the feint hearted. Hope I haven't put you off. Just telling it like it is.
    Originally posted by Charityworker
    Are these unprofessional psychopaths of both genders?

    I presume that they are the ones who are trying to sell rubbish.
    • eggha
    • By eggha 24th Mar 17, 6:29 AM
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    Does anyone have any experience of this in terms of taxation?
    Originally posted by Elizabeth2006
    what do you want to know?
    - who the "you" is depends on whether it is literally just you who takes all the profit (sole trader) or whether you have a formally constituted partnership with ANO and will split the profits accordingly

    if a sole trader you will be best advised to produce a simple income and expenditure statement to record your overall net profit. You will then report those figures on your tax return under the self employed section and pay income tax on the profit

    if a partnership you would be best to get professional advice since you will need to produce formal partnership account and submit tax returns for both the partnership itself and the individual partners

    I'll assume you will not have reached the VAT threshold yet so VAT should not be a concern

    if you have set up a Ltd Company then you certainly should not be trying to DIY the tax - get an accountant in that case
    • Charityworker
    • By Charityworker 24th Mar 17, 2:14 PM
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    Are these unprofessional psychopaths of both genders?

    I presume that they are the ones who are trying to sell rubbish.
    Originally posted by lincroft1710
    Mostly women but I have had one threatening message from a man. Yes most of the time the one selling rubbish is the one threatening afterwards. Usually I can look round a craft fair and instantly know as soon as they start setting up which ones won't sell and which ones I'm going to get a nasty message from.
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