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    • benten69
    • By benten69 29th Aug 16, 8:59 AM
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    Do you tip in restaurants?
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    • 29th Aug 16, 8:59 AM
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    Do you tip in restaurants? 29th Aug 16 at 8:59 AM
    Wasn't sure if this was the right place to put this, so admin, please move if needed.

    Do you guys (and girls) tip when you go for a meal out? Personally I hate the idea, and it's even worse when you've got the waiter standing next to you as you select "No" on the card machine.

    However, I always say that I don't get tips for doing anything extra and providing good levels of service in my job, so why should I pay others extra for a basic service their employers should be paying them for. In my previous role I saved the company £20,000 a day in penalties by delivering the project on time (a week early in fact), but I didn't get anything extra for it, because quite simply, it was my job.

    Hence, I don't agree with tipping. They are doing a job & getting their hourly rate, so why do I need to subsidize it? Tesco don't tell me to pay extra if I go to a till vs going to the self checkout.

    However, if there is a large group of us and say the bill comes out to £18 each, we'll all chuck in £20 and let the waiter / waitress keep the change. That's the only scenario it works in for me, as it saves everyone the hassle of finding change, waiting to get their change, etc.

    What are peoples thoughts?
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    • takman
    • By takman 4th Jan 18, 1:02 PM
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    They get away with not paying because the system allows them. Just like MPs. Just because it's the law or they have a good accountant does not make it moral or just. How about you start at the top and work down.

    I couldn't care less what you think about me and tips. I will continue to give it cash and encourage them to keep it.
    Originally posted by scd3scd4
    So if the system allows them to pay a "small" amount of tax then why would they pay more?. You don't pay more than you legally have to so why do you expect them to pay more.

    But like you said if you don't agree with the current tax legislation then you need to contact your MP, start a campaign etc and get it changed. But telling specific people to avoid tax just because you disagree with tax laws is very contradictory.

    I never said anything about not paying tax on their main income. I said they can keep my tip I gave to them and not put it in a central pot for everyone to share which was not my intention. If they don't pay tax on it I don't care. Maybe use your energy to make people pay who cost the NHS of millions who are not intilited.

    You think people earn tips equal there main wage?!.......how silly and naive.
    Originally posted by scd3scd4
    So you wan't people to be able to receive tips tax free.

    Can't you see how that could be exploited, everyone would be paid minimum wage and anything over that would be "tips".

    Like I said. I will only give cash to the waiter. What they decide to do, I don't care and will continue to do so regardless.
    Originally posted by scd3scd4
    This is another good example of why tipping is such a flawed concept. People should be paid to do a job and get paid to do a good job and rewarded by their employer. Why should only the waiting staff get extra money when the main reason people go to restaurants is for good food which is cooked by staff in the kitchen and nothing to do with the waiting staff.
    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 4th Jan 18, 1:03 PM
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    I know people whose tips are more than twice their salary.
    Originally posted by Nick_C
    You don't know anyone who is earning that in Bella Italia, Nandos, Wagamama or the local Chinese or Indian restaurant.....................


    Like I said again.........I give it to them for them. After that it's up to them.
    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 4th Jan 18, 1:10 PM
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    So if the system allows them to pay a "small" amount of tax then why would they pay more?. You don't pay more than you legally have to so why do you expect them to pay more.

    But like you said if you don't agree with the current tax legislation then you need to contact your MP, start a campaign etc and get it changed. But telling specific people to avoid tax just because you disagree with tax laws is very contradictory.



    So you wan't people to be able to receive tips tax free.

    Can't you see how that could be exploited, everyone would be paid minimum wage and anything over that would be "tips".



    This is another good example of why tipping is such a flawed concept. People should be paid to do a job and get paid to do a good job and rewarded by their employer. Why should only the waiting staff get extra money when the main reason people go to restaurants is for good food which is cooked by staff in the kitchen and nothing to do with the waiting staff.
    Originally posted by takman
    I won't be doing anything other than what I said I will be doing. and the reasons I gave. The MPs and system know what is being done, dont talk like a child..

    All the while the system allows the multinationals, NHS abusers, Fat cats, Bankers and MPs to manipulate the system I will let my own morals decide who and when I tip. And that wont change because you pipe up! lol
    Last edited by scd3scd4; 04-01-2018 at 1:13 PM.
    • Nick_C
    • By Nick_C 4th Jan 18, 1:21 PM
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    ... Is dont talk like a child..
    Originally posted by scd3scd4
    Someone is talking like a child. But it's not takman.
    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 4th Jan 18, 1:23 PM
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    Someone is talking like a child. But it's not takman.
    Originally posted by Nick_C
    Then stop doing it............lol
    Last edited by scd3scd4; 04-01-2018 at 1:43 PM.
    • glider3560
    • By glider3560 4th Jan 18, 6:43 PM
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    You don't know anyone who is earning that in Bella Italia, Nandos, Wagamama or the local Chinese or Indian restaurant.....................
    Originally posted by scd3scd4
    Really? In a busy restaurant, this is easily possible.

    Let's say they serve 9 tables in a 3 hour period. Each table has 6 diners. Each diner has a meal costing £10. Half of the diners decide to tip 10%. That's £27 in tips for 3 hours work. Minimum wage for 3 hours is £22.50. And that's working on a low spend (£10) and assuming only half leave a tip.

    • scd3scd4
    • By scd3scd4 5th Jan 18, 9:22 AM
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    Really? In a busy restaurant, this is easily possible.

    Let's say they serve 9 tables in a 3 hour period. Each table has 6 diners. Each diner has a meal costing £10. Half of the diners decide to tip 10%. That's £27 in tips for 3 hours work. Minimum wage for 3 hours is £22.50. And that's working on a low spend (£10) and assuming only half leave a tip.
    Originally posted by glider3560

    How about you speak to a waiter in the above and ask. Rather than all the pointless maths. That said they can still keep it from me..............as can the barber who gets a £1.
    Last edited by scd3scd4; 05-01-2018 at 9:30 AM.
    • depapepe
    • By depapepe 10th Jan 18, 3:20 AM
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    Bad at math makes me difficult to calculate tips.
    • Nick_C
    • By Nick_C 10th Jan 18, 9:25 AM
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    Bad at math makes me difficult to calculate tips.
    Originally posted by depapepe
    Just move the decimal point one place to left.

    Bill is £65.75, tip is £6.57. Round up to £7.00
    Last edited by Nick_C; 10-01-2018 at 10:50 AM.
    • glider3560
    • By glider3560 10th Jan 18, 6:55 PM
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    Bad at math makes me difficult to calculate tips.
    Originally posted by depapepe
    Most US restaurants print tip calculations on the bill (sorry, "check"). They never seem to start below 17.5% and I once saw one giving the calculation for 30% (I suppose it was one of the wealthier areas of Los Angeles, but still seems excessive).

    Thankfully this habit doesn't appear to have spread to the UK yet.

    • frankennsteiny
    • By frankennsteiny 11th Jan 18, 10:11 PM
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    yes i do if the service and meal has been good
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