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    • benten69
    • By benten69 29th Aug 16, 8:59 AM
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    Do you tip in restaurants?
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    • 29th Aug 16, 8:59 AM
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    Do you tip in restaurants? 29th Aug 16 at 8:59 AM
    Wasn't sure if this was the right place to put this, so admin, please move if needed.

    Do you guys (and girls) tip when you go for a meal out? Personally I hate the idea, and it's even worse when you've got the waiter standing next to you as you select "No" on the card machine.

    However, I always say that I don't get tips for doing anything extra and providing good levels of service in my job, so why should I pay others extra for a basic service their employers should be paying them for. In my previous role I saved the company £20,000 a day in penalties by delivering the project on time (a week early in fact), but I didn't get anything extra for it, because quite simply, it was my job.

    Hence, I don't agree with tipping. They are doing a job & getting their hourly rate, so why do I need to subsidize it? Tesco don't tell me to pay extra if I go to a till vs going to the self checkout.

    However, if there is a large group of us and say the bill comes out to £18 each, we'll all chuck in £20 and let the waiter / waitress keep the change. That's the only scenario it works in for me, as it saves everyone the hassle of finding change, waiting to get their change, etc.

    What are peoples thoughts?
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    • Destabilising
    • By Destabilising 21st Jun 17, 3:02 PM
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    But is your waiter/waitress not already getting paid to be the messenger? Why tip them but not the chef?
    Originally posted by glider3560

    9/10 they're being paid ridiculously low wages and a lot of waiting staff rely on tips to survive and live. One of my old housemates was a waitress and I've seen just how crappy their job can be and the amount of crap they get for things that aren't their fault.
    • ringo_24601
    • By ringo_24601 21st Jun 17, 3:20 PM
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    9/10 they're being paid ridiculously low wages and a lot of waiting staff rely on tips to survive and live. One of my old housemates was a waitress and I've seen just how crappy their job can be and the amount of crap they get for things that aren't their fault.
    Originally posted by Destabilising
    You're aware that the kitchen staff also have poor pay and hours? Not to mention far worse working conditions normally.

    I'd be happier tipping the kitchen staff than the wait-staff.

    I was forced to pay 12.5% 'service charge' in a restaurant this weekend.. wasn't very happy. It's not like we had amazing service either.
    • Destabilising
    • By Destabilising 21st Jun 17, 3:47 PM
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    Yes, I am, and I'm also aware of the fact that in 99% of places the tips also get shared between the kitchen staff as well
    • takman
    • By takman 21st Jun 17, 7:30 PM
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    9/10 they're being paid ridiculously low wages and a lot of waiting staff rely on tips to survive and live. One of my old housemates was a waitress and I've seen just how crappy their job can be and the amount of crap they get for things that aren't their fault.
    Originally posted by Destabilising
    They get paid minimum wage for carry plates back and to the kitchen and typing orders into a computer, it doesn't exactly take years of training or much skill. They are paid the same minimum wage as the people who work in the shops you buy things from and the bin men who collect rubbish from your house, do you also tip them?.

    I find it crazy how people feel these have to tip the person who brings them food but not tip a doctor/nurse who saves their lives and work much longer hours in a very difficult environment.
    • pantaiema
    • By pantaiema 21st Jun 17, 11:29 PM
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    They get paid minimum wage for carry plates back and to the kitchen and typing orders into a computer, it doesn't exactly take years of training or much skill. They are paid the same minimum wage as the people who work in the shops you buy things from and the bin men who collect rubbish from your house, do you also tip them?.

    I find it crazy how people feel these have to tip the person who brings them food but not tip a doctor/nurse who saves their lives and work much longer hours in a very difficult environment.
    Originally posted by takman
    I find it also something wrong with this tip cuture. If you have spare money better donate it to charity.

    I believe, most people who consider giving tip is necessary is those who come from North America and try to bring their habbit / culture to the countries they are visiting, ruining the market for other people, especially local people.

    Giving tip in the US is very much expected because that is the way they they are topping up their salary. But here in europe the basic salary close to living wages is already guranteed by law. They are getting paid similar to other people in low skilled job.

    People who got used to giving tip, please think about this and answer the question

    Do you tip other people in low skilled jobs a shop assistant (say) who is helping you finding items in the store ??

    Do you tip the binman who empty your rubbish bin every week ?

    Do you tip the young boys, girls in Fastfood outlets such as McDonald, Burger King, KFC, Take away ?

    Do you tip nurses, doctors, dentists They save your live ?

    If not why not ???
    Last edited by pantaiema; 21-06-2017 at 11:42 PM.
    • bellanoisette
    • By bellanoisette 22nd Jun 17, 10:57 PM
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    I can't believe you are located in the UK, are you originally from the USA as you say "grocery places" and refer to "10-15%" tips.

    Why would you tip when shopping online before you have even received the service?. I have never tipped a delivery driver and it is extremely rare that i tip in a restaurant and i have never felt obliged to do it.
    Originally posted by takman
    I have social anxiety and feel if I tip that will alleviate some awkwardness I googled how much you're "meant" to give years ago and that seemed to be the consensus after a lot of research and I know people who don't care about tipping but I still feel I have to but don't agree with it. I am mostly housebound and rely on online shopping and food being delivered so say grocery as they are typically called that online! I don't "hoover" up though. Amazon Prime Now have a £2 tip as default (i use it for groceries/food) but you can give a lot more and so do new things like deliveroo have a tip box so I expect this to become the norm with apps.
    Last edited by bellanoisette; 22-06-2017 at 11:02 PM.
    • gonebust
    • By gonebust 22nd Jun 17, 11:53 PM
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    9/10 they're being paid ridiculously low wages and a lot of waiting staff rely on tips to survive and live. One of my old housemates was a waitress and I've seen just how crappy their job can be and the amount of crap they get for things that aren't their fault.
    Originally posted by Destabilising

    Minimum wage says that over 21 and you are on£7.50 an hour

    So the dishwasher , kitchen porter, bar tender, cleaner are all getting the same as the waiter

    All earning the same as me who works in an industry that doesn't get tipped

    I don't tip
    • Robisere
    • By Robisere 24th Jun 17, 6:27 PM
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    For me, it's simple. If the food was good and the service was also good, I tip. If the food was good and I am asked about it, I will say so. If the food is not good in any way, I say it like it is and I do not return to that venue again.

    My family have a "do" for most birthdays: just had one for my son, at a restaurant that we had been to once before. On both occasions the food and service were excellent, so we tipped. The last occasion was a very hot evening: 34º and no Aircon, we sat with the windows all open and the kitchen staff were thanked and tipped personally for their heroics! There are local restaurants and/or pubs which we might use, we know the ones that are good and we stick to them.
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    • andygb
    • By andygb 2nd Jul 17, 4:28 PM
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    The US is very hypocritical when it comes to tipping. They tip in "diners" and other middle class restaurants, but do not tip in McDonalds or other similar places where the working conditions are pretty dire, and most of the workers come from African/American or Hispanic backgrounds.
    I never tip because I have never received tips in any of my jobs.
    • glider3560
    • By glider3560 2nd Jul 17, 4:41 PM
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    The US is very hypocritical when it comes to tipping. They tip in "diners" and other middle class restaurants, but do not tip in McDonalds or other similar places where the working conditions are pretty dire
    Originally posted by andygb
    I agree. Just been the the US again last week.

    Ate at a Denny's (a 24hr chain diner) next to the airport hotel on the first night. We gave a tip of about 16%. I asked to pay my share by credit card and the rest paid in cash. When I went to the counter to enter my PIN, the waitress looked disgusted after counting the cash.

    In another place, we were asked if we wanted the change (a total WTF moment in the US). When we said no, the waiter seemed extremely happy and was very grateful to us. After leaving, we realised we hadn't split the bill right. Ended up leaving a 28% tip. Oops.

    Couldn't wait to get back to the UK where there is no obligation to tip.

    • jessex1990
    • By jessex1990 2nd Jul 17, 10:12 PM
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    I agree. Just been the the US again last week.

    Ate at a Denny's (a 24hr chain diner) next to the airport hotel on the first night. We gave a tip of about 16%. I asked to pay my share by credit card and the rest paid in cash. When I went to the counter to enter my PIN, the waitress looked disgusted after counting the cash.

    In another place, we were asked if we wanted the change (a total WTF moment in the US). When we said no, the waiter seemed extremely happy and was very grateful to us. After leaving, we realised we hadn't split the bill right. Ended up leaving a 28% tip. Oops.

    Couldn't wait to get back to the UK where there is no obligation to tip.
    Originally posted by glider3560
    When we had a meal at Disney World last year the waitress (who was amazing for all 4 courses) brought the change out, we gave her a puzzled look and said we deliberately put that much in, thats your tip. Bless her she looked like she was going to cry with joy. It was something like 25%. I guess they aren't expecting tourists to understand that those who get tipped have a separate and much lower minimum wage.
    Last edited by jessex1990; 02-07-2017 at 10:14 PM.
    • Kim kim
    • By Kim kim 2nd Jul 17, 10:41 PM
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    Yes, I am, and I'm also aware of the fact that in 99% of places the tips also get shared between the kitchen staff as well
    Originally posted by Destabilising
    I worked in waitessing for a number of years in a few different types of restaurant. Tips are rarely ever shared.
    • Kim kim
    • By Kim kim 2nd Jul 17, 10:43 PM
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    You're aware that the kitchen staff also have poor pay and hours? Not to mention far worse working conditions normally.

    I'd be happier tipping the kitchen staff than the wait-staff.

    I was forced to pay 12.5% 'service charge' in a restaurant this weekend.. wasn't very happy. It's not like we had amazing service either.
    Originally posted by ringo_24601
    Instead of putting 12.5% on the bill, why don't they just put 12.5% on the items they sell.
    That way they are pricing their wares to include all extras.
    • borkid
    • By borkid 3rd Jul 17, 1:40 PM
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    I find it also something wrong with this tip cuture. If you have spare money better donate it to charity.

    I believe, most people who consider giving tip is necessary is those who come from North America and try to bring their habbit / culture to the countries they are visiting, ruining the market for other people, especially local people.

    Giving tip in the US is very much expected because that is the way they they are topping up their salary. But here in europe the basic salary close to living wages is already guranteed by law. They are getting paid similar to other people in low skilled job.

    People who got used to giving tip, please think about this and answer the question

    Do you tip other people in low skilled jobs a shop assistant (say) who is helping you finding items in the store ?? If someone has been particularly helpful I will mention it to the manager.

    Do you tip the binman who empty your rubbish bin every week ?
    Yes at xmas
    Do you tip the young boys, girls in Fastfood outlets such as McDonald, Burger King, KFC, Take away ? Don't use them.

    Do you tip nurses, doctors, dentists They save your live ? Have given presents ie chocs/ wine same as I've done for others. I think giving money where there isn't a culture to do so could be embarrassing for the recipient.

    If not why not ???
    Originally posted by pantaiema

    People also give tips to beauticians and hairdressers it isn't just reserved for restaurant staff.
    • borkid
    • By borkid 3rd Jul 17, 1:43 PM
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    I worked in waitessing for a number of years in a few different types of restaurant. Tips are rarely ever shared.
    Originally posted by Kim kim
    I ask before if I give a tip to check it doesn't go to the owners and recently ie last few years, it's been common to be told tips go to front of house and kitchen staff.
    • Potbellypig
    • By Potbellypig 3rd Jul 17, 8:00 PM
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    It's only really socially acceptable to tip a waiter/waitress. It's not to tip a doctor, teacher, fast food cashier etc. We exist as a society which relies on these types of social 'norms'.

    It's not rocket science.
    • takman
    • By takman 3rd Jul 17, 10:31 PM
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    It's only really socially acceptable to tip a waiter/waitress. It's not to tip a doctor, teacher, fast food cashier etc. We exist as a society which relies on these types of social 'norms'.

    It's not rocket science.
    Originally posted by Potbellypig
    Just because something is socially acceptable or even socially expected doesn't mean you have to do it!.
    • Potbellypig
    • By Potbellypig 4th Jul 17, 5:45 PM
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    Just because something is socially acceptable or even socially expected doesn't mean you have to do it!.
    Originally posted by takman
    A civilised society works better when all parties are on the same page. If people started tipping whoever they want, when they want, then that's when problems occur.

    You can apply this piece of advise to any other scenario which is socially acceptable to do.
    • takman
    • By takman 4th Jul 17, 6:04 PM
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    A civilised society works better when all parties are on the same page. If people started tipping whoever they want, when they want, then that's when problems occur.

    You can apply this piece of advise to any other scenario which is socially acceptable to do.
    Originally posted by Potbellypig
    The solution is to not tip anyone in any circumstances. If a doctor who saves your life socially "deserves" no tip then how much of a tip should you give to someone who carry's a plate of food from the kitchen to you table and writes down what you want and then types it into a computer.

    I've been to a restaurant where the waiters/waitresses were replaced with a Tablet Computer and a system that automatically delivers food to your table. Imagine if i had attempted to tip the tablet computer, how ridiculous would that have been.
    • cam12
    • By cam12 5th Jul 17, 10:52 AM
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    I will only tip is the food and serve are good - normally 10%
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