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  • Sncjw
    Sncjw Posts: 3,509 Forumite
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    You never replied to my question on that thread. I asked you what time your appointment was as this could make all the difference.
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  • Andrea2528
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    sangie595 wrote: »
    We weren't discussing what you were on. We were discussing what you are on. If your social anxiety is so bad then you need to reapply with the support of your medical professionals. But at no point did you ever comment that your reason for not attending was due to social anxiety. You said, and you said it very clearly, that you didn't attend because you didn't learn anything previously at such sessions and so you decided that you wouldn't go because it was a waste of your time. That has nothing to do with social anxiety.

    And, as pointed out, it's only a week since you were looking for an excuse not to go to sign on.

    You do not have to claim JSA. It isn't compulsory. You can choose not to claim benefits. You can choose to reapply for ESA. Or you can get a job. But there is a very simple relationship here - if you choose to claim JSA then things like attending courses and signing on are not optional. You decided to claim JSA, and you decided not to attend the course for which you were sanctioned. I've got every sympathy with people who genuinely cannot work due to mental illness - but that was never the question here. The question was that you decided not to waste your time going on a compulsory course and got sanctioned, so you wanted to claim a hardship payment. Changing your version of events doesn't make us forget what you wrote.

    Excuse me, but you've got this wrong. At no point did I say that it would be a waste of my time attending. I stated what I had already previously told the Jobcentre about the courses not being helpful. However, I have always still attended them despite the Jobcentre knowing how they affect my social anxiety problem. On that particular day, the social anxiety was extreme. I let them know that I would not be attending.

    By the way, as I stated above, I will not accept you accusing me of making excuses of not going into sign on. I was very anxious about not being able to turn up because of the snow. I don't see why I should accept people like yourself throwing complete lies at me and I don't assume to know anything about yourself. However, you seem to insist that I don't have any problems at all and that I'm trying to get out of doing anything the jobcentre are asking me to do. You have no idea what I've been through with social anxiety. There are people out there who work for a living and still claim all the benefits they can get even though they are not entitled to them.
    What you have written is very upsetting.

    I've told you why I changed the initial post. I started getting negative responses which had nothing to do with the question. I only wanted to know if hardship payment is available to people, living with their parents, who don't have any savings. I wanted to delete the message but I don't think MSE allow it, so I went ahead and tried to rephrase the question to being as basic as possible. Please don't bother replying with any more assumptions of my situation and by the way, it was only one course that I didn't attend. Yes, I realise that I should have attended but I explained to them beforehand, that my social anxiety was particularly extreme that day and I asked to be excused. I accept people having their points of view but I won't have people accusing me of not doing something because I couldn't be bothered or that it was a waste of time. That isn't true at all. I accept that I need to do what they ask of me and I have always tried doing that. I'm sure that I wouldn't be the only person that missed a single day.
  • Sncjw
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    But you never said what time your appointment was. If it was late afternoon you would have had plenty of time to work out how to get to the job centre. If you had said what time your appointment was people might have helped working out what buses would have been on to get you to job centre or even encourage you to ask friends and family to take you.

    What if you were working and it’s snowing. The workplace wouldn’t take it as an excuse unless there is several people who can’t get in to work or the place is closed.

    Also hardship payments are for people who without the benefits payment would struggle to keep warm, a roof over their head, feed themselves and family. It’s not for buying non essential Christmas presents.
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  • Sncjw
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    Yes you have social anxiety but in life you have to be pro active to get where you want to be. You can expect people to give you things to do it. You can’t expecr it to fall on lap. You ask the jobcentre for help for courses to work from home. Could you not research free courses to do about working from home. If you want to work from home you need to tone down the attitude esp if your going to do say chat moderation from home. Have you looked at what jobs to do from home or are you expecting the jobcentre to do t for you.

    I’m deaf and I never expected the jobcentre to get me a job when I was signing on. I actually looked for jobs myself. I knew what I could do but I pushed myself to go for jobs I might not have been able to do due to hearing issues. I do have a job now. It’s all about doing things for yourself because the world isn’t going to change unless you change it yourself
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  • Andrea2528
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    Sncjw wrote: »
    But you never said what time your appointment was. If it was late afternoon you would have had plenty of time to work out how to get to the job centre. If you had said what time your appointment was people might have helped working out what buses would have been on to get you to job centre or even encourage you to ask friends and family to take you.

    What if you were working and it’s snowing. The workplace wouldn’t take it as an excuse unless there is several people who can’t get in to work or the place is closed.

    Also hardship payments are for people who without the benefits payment would struggle to keep warm, a roof over their head, feed themselves and family. It’s not for buying non essential Christmas presents.

    All the schools were in fact closed in the area and I rang the Jobcentre, who said they didn't expect me to go in because there were many others in the same position as myself. I live in a very rural area.

    The hardship payment was in order for me to be able to help with living costs. They weren't intended for anything else.
  • sangie595
    sangie595 Posts: 6,092 Forumite
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    Andrea, even if I didn't have an excellent memory, in responded directly to your original and unamended post. You very clearly stated that you did not go because it was a waste of your time. Yes, you also said that got had told the Jobcentre this. But you have a clear and specific reason for not going - one that had absolutely nothing to do with social anxiety.

    Nevertheless, that doesn't change anything you have been told. Nobody is twisting your arm and forcing you to claim JSA, but whilst you do so there are conditions to receiving benefit. You decided to not adhere to those conditions. You seem to think that pointing this out is "negative". It isn't. It's a fact. There are lots of things that are facts, and you not liking them doesn't make them less of a fact. You live with your parents, so unless they intend to kick you out, refuse to feed you, and withhold all fuel, the worst that is going to happen is that you won't be able to afford entertainment (nook online gambling, for example?). That is not a hardship. That is a consequence of your choice.
  • Sncjw
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    You said this;
    I'm asking about hardship payments because it's difficult to have to rely on parents at this time of year to buy things.

    This doesn’t say about living costs. People are thinking it’s abour Christmas presents.

    If you live with your parents they are helping your living costs. People who have hardship payments are those who having to pay their own rents, electricity, gas and food bills. Without benefits they wouldn’t be able to pay these or go hungry especially with children in the household. You are living with your parents so you don’t have this kind of hardship. You have a roof over your head and I would have thought your parents help you out with food and warmth.
    Mortgage free wannabe 

    Actual mortgage stating amount £75,150

    Overpayment start date 1/3/23.

    Starting balance £66,565.45

    Current balance £63,787.16

  • Diamandis
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    You said originally that you went on the courses before and they weren't helpful so didn't go to this one and you didn't realise that the section would be that long.
  • kingfisherblue
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    My son has Asperger's and gets very anxious at times. He also has severe depression and has self harmed in the past. However, he wants to work in engineering. He has pushed himself to attend a college that specialises in his subject, even though it is in a different town where he knew no one. He has to use public transport (a big issue for him, especially if someone sits in his usual place). He has put himself forward for work placements, meaning that he has had to face his anxiety issues head on. He's done this because he knows that to succeed in his aspirations, he needs work experience, and he will have to work with others in the future.

    Recently he started working in a bar (small, fairly quiet), and he's loving it. In fact, I'm about to take him there now for this evening's shift. He's happy to earn the money of course, but it also helps his anxiety and social skills, because he has to deal with people all of the time. From this, he is hoping to overcome some of his issues.

    Perhaps the OP could consider voluntary work (something that my son has done in the past to try to help himself) - with Job Centre permission of course. Working from home is something that many people want, but few manage successfully. Instead of focusing on this, and avoiding attending courses or signing on, she might benefit from having a commitment to others, and may also help herself to develop coping strategies. Staying at home is not going to benefit her in the long term.
  • Fireflyaway
    Fireflyaway Posts: 2,766 Forumite
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    Social anxiety can be really debilitating but its true you have to make an effort or nothing will change. For example you deleted half your post because you didn't like the replies. Sometimes in life you will hear things you don't want to hear or have to do unpleasant things to get a good end result. Avoiding it will probably make it worse.
    Building some resilience might help. Have you tried CBT?
    The fact you live at home is a key point. As I said previously I guess you have food a shower and clean clothes. The rest is not essential. What hardship are you actually facing?
    I agree volunteering could really help. You can just start with a few hours and build your confidence / learn new skills.
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