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    • molokoid
    • By molokoid 29th Jun 08, 5:46 PM
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    molokoid
    Bulk LPG - Cheapest suppliers / supply route?
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    • 29th Jun 08, 5:46 PM
    Bulk LPG - Cheapest suppliers / supply route? 29th Jun 08 at 5:46 PM
    Hi all,

    Moved into a house in Jan that has a bulk LPG tank, which was previously supplied (and the tank is owned by) Calor. The contract they were really keen for me to sign was quite a restrictive lock in one and after speaking and a bit of negotiating they dropped the standing charge and discounted the pence per litre by 12%. This only made me sceptical that they had a lot of fat in the price anyway and there seems to be limited information available on the net about bulk lpg supply (lots of websites that will find you the cheapest supply for a fee!). Seems to be crying out for a MSE article if there are enough bulk lpg owners out there.

    Anyway, i read that there is some sort of regulation coming into the market which allows me to choose the supplier i wish and in turn they buy the tank off the previous owners. This seems to be a more market competitive way of doing it, but i can't find out when this is due to happen.

    Are there any bulk lpg owners out there that can give me some advice?

    TIA
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    • dlyn
    • By dlyn 21st Oct 08, 10:07 AM
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    dlyn
    Hi,
    For anyone interested in Aug I contacted our supplier (Shellgas) and negotiated a new agreement reducing our price from .46ppl to .37ppl, and with the proviso that we will benefit if there are any further general reductions. I was also advised to contact them again if I thought there had been a reduction in petrol prices locally. Guess what I'll be doing in the next couple of days.
    Can anyone see why with oil prices now at a 14 month low then why shouldn't lpg prices reflect this as the oil price increases were used to justify lpg price hikes?
  • Eastindiman
    Hi,
    For anyone interested in Aug I contacted our supplier (Shellgas) and negotiated a new agreement reducing our price from .46ppl to .37ppl, and with the proviso that we will benefit if there are any further general reductions. I was also advised to contact them again if I thought there had been a reduction in petrol prices locally. Guess what I'll be doing in the next couple of days.
    Can anyone see why with oil prices now at a 14 month low then why shouldn't lpg prices reflect this as the oil price increases were used to justify lpg price hikes?
    Originally posted by dlyn
    Im very interested as a Shell Gas customer paying 42.6ppl using 7000lpa. How much do you use please and where are you located?
  • Eastindiman
    Im very interested as a Shell Gas customer paying 42.6ppl using 7000lpa. How much do you use please and where are you located?
    • dlyn
    • By dlyn 30th Oct 08, 8:50 PM
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    dlyn
    Hi Eastindiman,

    I'm using about 3000 litres pa. and we're based in Lancashire, but I had to contact their office in Chesterfield.
    I think you should give them a call (wherever you are)- I found them very easy to negotiate with, but I've yet to ask them for further reduction!

    Let's know how you get on.
    • ewazix
    • By ewazix 3rd Nov 08, 12:08 PM
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    ewazix
    Stop press - Don't sign contracts until you read
    If I have read it correctly, as of 13th April 2009 suppliers of domestic LPG will HAVE to hand over their tank/pipes to a new supplier if you switch. This is as a result of the Competition Comission investigation.

    I was about to sign my Flogas contract, but no way now! (48p p/L inc surcharge 6000L PA Somerset). We will have to see how these greedy B's try to get round this and continue to fix the market but it has to be a good start - I'm shopping around.

    I got my info at http://www.lpg-solutions.co.uk/existingdomestic.html
    But I'm sure there are going to be lots of other switching agents jumping on the banwaggon to help customs switch.
  • Taffff
    Spanner in the works..?
    Allo all..!
    I'm reading this with interest as we (my better half and I) are looking at moving to a cottage that is off the gas grid.
    It has a bulk LPG tank and this site is where I have found the most info about it.

    Now lots of folks are going on about the new CC ruling that should be coming into force on 13 April 09 regarding the changing of suppliers.
    Now I may have missed something here so please put me right if I have but from this link to the CC (posted earlier by someone)

    http://www.competition-commission.org.uk/inquiries/current/gas/lpgas_order_faq.pdf

    Note 5, paragraph 2 reads that no supplier is obliged to take on another suppliers tank and if they wont fill the current tank then your current supplier will need to remove the tank before the new supplier can install their own.
    Now if the main 4 suppliers are in 'communication' with each other (and having worked for a very large company in the petro chem industry I think I already know the answer to this..:rolleyes: ) then they will all just carry on as normal to tie in the customers.
    Their current tactics of trying to get customers to sign a 5 year contract etc is just relying on the fact that most people will not have a clue about the new ruling that limits any contract to 2 years.

    So has anything really changed..?

    I hope I'm wrong and they will be falling over their selves to get new customers and take the tanks on but time will tell I suppose..

    Anyway, best I make the most of this lovely Mains Gas fire I've got for now and settle down with a beer..
  • nc73
    contract
    Just moved into a rented house and BP wants me to sign a contract? They said I am required to sign a 2 year. Is this right? Can't I just order gas whenever I need it without signing?
  • HeldtoRansom
    Countrywide Farmers domestic LPG
    When the price of oil was rising, Countrywide Farmers sent us all apologetic letters every time they raised their LPG prices (6 in the last 12 months). Every time they explained that they had to keep a close eye on the wholesale markets and a watch on the price of a barrel of oil. And as they kept telling us, like fuel prices at the pump, our LPG prices would have to rise too. They even sent us graphs from the Daily Telegraph illustrating how Brent Crude was increasing without remorse and so would the price of LPG. For the last 5 months, as we all know, the price of oil together with that at the pump has been falling. But have we received any letters telling us about the reduction in the price of oil and that they are pleased to announce that they will be reducing our LPG in line with this? Not one. It is simply a case of profiteering and exploiting the difficulty in changing supplier. They know the hassle it is to go to another supplier who may well profiteer in the same when oil prices rise again. The OFT needs to sort out this unfair trading.
    • ironnick
    • By ironnick 18th Nov 08, 8:22 PM
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    ironnick
    Calor Gas Price Increase
    I signed my contract, which started on 14/12/07. That was for gas at .33ppl and a standing charge at 16.9 ppl. I intend to fill my 200lt tank to the brim, just prior to the end of the contract and hopefully last until April next year. I've noted that Caolr wont refil unless it's less than 40%, which it will be just under. Calor have just sent me a letter saying that the new price will be 40.65ppl (pointing out that this is a discount of 6.95ppl compared to the standard domestic taffif. This price will be guranteed until 01.04.09. The letter points out that the cost of LPG has fallen recently, but the increase has been offset by a sharp fall in the value of the £ against the US $. Anyone able to comment on this, given that oil is the same price now, that it was this time last year.
    Regards,
    Nick
  • Old Sage
    DONT SIGN anything with these suppliers
    They are trying to get you to sign binding 2 year contracts which are going to be the maximum time allowed on any supply contracts as of 13th April next year which is when the regulations come into force.
    Dont sign now but wait till April when you can shop around and get the best deal from whoever supplies your area.Typically you will find the independent suppliers are the cheapest as Calor and FloGas supply 75% of the market place between them and have it sewed up pretty nice by all accounts. Then the likes of BP and Shell supply another 15% with the balance shared by the independents.
    Dont sign anything untill April and dont let them tell you they will do this or that to your supply as they wont because they cant by law as they must maintain continuity of supply and already supply 1000's of customers who refuse to sign contracts as they have been ripped off before.
    I can guarantee there will be many of you who have same size tanks using exactly the same amounts but you will be charged whatever the companies can get away with as they rely on your apathy to rises and certainly dont pass on all or even part of the reductions.
    Be hard and stand up for yourself, and above all else DONT SIGN NOTHING TILL APRIL 2009 when yours deals will get much much better. Trust me on this one!
  • nc73
    They are trying to get you to sign binding 2 year contracts which are going to be the maximum time allowed on any supply contracts as of 13th April next year which is when the regulations come into force.
    Dont sign now but wait till April when you can shop around and get the best deal from whoever supplies your area.Typically you will find the independent suppliers are the cheapest as Calor and FloGas supply 75% of the market place between them and have it sewed up pretty nice by all accounts. Then the likes of BP and Shell supply another 15% with the balance shared by the independents.
    Dont sign anything untill April and dont let them tell you they will do this or that to your supply as they wont because they cant by law as they must maintain continuity of supply and already supply 1000's of customers who refuse to sign contracts as they have been ripped off before.
    I can guarantee there will be many of you who have same size tanks using exactly the same amounts but you will be charged whatever the companies can get away with as they rely on your apathy to rises and certainly dont pass on all or even part of the reductions.
    Be hard and stand up for yourself, and above all else DONT SIGN NOTHING TILL APRIL 2009 when yours deals will get much much better. Trust me on this one!
    Originally posted by Old Sage
    Would this apply to new customers?? I moved into the rented house a few weeks ago but haven't signed anything and they said I have to sign.
  • Old Sage
    LPG moving In
    You will be asked to sign a supply agreement (ITS A CONTRACT) which will tie you in for at least 2 years.

    Tell them you dont want to sign as you want to be able to take advantage of the new laws coming in to effect in april. If they persist saying its for health and safety reasons say you will sign till April ie 6 months or not at all.

    If you call their bluff they will just supply as you stand without the contract and hope to keep you come April.

    there are 100s if not 1000s of peoople across the country without contracts who are still being supplied by companies rather than have them go to competitors.

    Hope this helps.

    Old Sage
    • molokoid
    • By molokoid 3rd Dec 08, 10:28 AM
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    molokoid
    Hi all, I'd written the original post when I first moved into a house with Bulk LPG back in January. Since then i've refused to sign a contract with Calor, hoping the deregulation would bring some cost benefits and increased customer service to the market place.

    Having just had a fill i thought i'd pop back on to see what the current market rate is. I must admit I must be talking about a different product to most as my PROPANE LPG tank is priced at 34.65 pence per litre. Which is an negotiated, non contract rate as far as i know.

    Is this in line with what others are paying? Many people are quoting a figure in excess of 40ppl which i'm assuming must be for a different product.

    Cheers all.
  • midnight007
    Hi Molokoid,
    I moved into my present house at about this time last year. It has a propane tank which belongs to Calorgas. They were aware of the change of ownership as the previous owner had informed them that he had sold the property. We Contacted them soon after moving in to let them know that we were happy to carry on receiving our propane from them at the current price of .36 ppl. All was fine until about a month ago when we got a letter saying that they were increasing the price from .36 ppl to .48 ppl. I am not prepared to pay .48 ppl as this is more than the autogas that I run my car on. I have told Calorgas that I dont want the tank filled anymore until the price that they wish to charge me comes down to an afordable level. By telling them this I have left the ball very much in their court. Either they want my money and custom or they dont. Its upto them. I intend to alter the supply so that I will be able to choose to use either the propane in the tank or 47kg propane gas bottles. The price of the 47kg gas bottles varies widely and to make a substantial saving I needed to purchase 10 or more 47kg bottles at a time so I had to make sure that they would deliver. As it stands now I dont have a contract with Calorgas and I certainly would not want one until the new rules come into force next April. They would then have to be a lot more competitive with other suppliers for me to want to sign up with them. I have no doubt that Calorgas and all the other suppliers will soon work out ways to get around the new rules as the other utility companies have done. Between them they have kept the regulators on their toes and the regulators have found it hard to keep up as we know. Im located in Wisbeach and the Calorgas office that I deal with is located in Leicester. Where abouts are you located and where abouts is the Calorgas office that you talking to.

    Cheers.
    Last edited by midnight007; 03-12-2008 at 6:05 PM.
  • nc73
    Hi all, I'd written the original post when I first moved into a house with Bulk LPG back in January. Since then i've refused to sign a contract with Calor, hoping the deregulation would bring some cost benefits and increased customer service to the market place.

    Having just had a fill i thought i'd pop back on to see what the current market rate is. I must admit I must be talking about a different product to most as my PROPANE LPG tank is priced at 34.65 pence per litre. Which is an negotiated, non contract rate as far as i know.

    Is this in line with what others are paying? Many people are quoting a figure in excess of 40ppl which i'm assuming must be for a different product.

    Cheers all.
    Originally posted by molokoid
    LPG is LPG. I live in Scotland..
  • midnight007
    Hi,
    I would just like to update people to my dispute with calorgas. After sending a few emails and receiving a few back I was offered £25.00 as a goodwill gesture. I sent an email back refusing this gesture of goodwill and I asked for the name and contact number for my area rep. I received an email back that said " I have had a word with the Rep who would like your contact number so as he can contact you please ". I sent back an email with my telephone number and then waited. A few days later I got a call in the early eavening from the area rep. He told me that he had got a message to contact me, but he said that he had not been told why. Wow, aint that strange. Anyway I explained that I had received a letter from Calorgas last month that stated the price that I am paying was to increase from 35.16 ppl to 48.90 ppl. I told him that I had been emailing a person at Calorgas to try and sort things out, but I was getting nowhere. Without anymore explaining he said that the price of lpg had recently dropped and that he would speak to that person and tell them to carry on charging me at the old price for the time being. He went on to say that he did not know how long they would be able to charge me 35.15 ppl and that I should fully expect the price to go up in the near future. What would you all make of that. Today I saw that a barrel of oil had fallen to around $40.00 a barrel. Not withstanding this I already knew that the price of lpg had fallen as I keep an eye on the price of autogas. He agreed to send me written confomation that there would be no price increase and that I would still be charged 35.15 ppl. To day I got an account statement from Calorgas showing a £25.00 credit. Remember that goodwill gesture that I refused. I am now waiting for the letter that should confirm that I will still be charged 35.15 ppl. I dont think that I will be able to contain myself if I am made to wait too long. If I do get this letter then Im quids in for Chrismas.
    That will make a change. Until next April then.

    Thanks.
  • nc73
    Looks like BP is refusing to refill my tank because I don't have a contract...
  • solybananas
    Price reduction For LPG
    My LPG gas supplier is Flogas. My last fill was 8th of March this year total fill of 895 litres which we paid 31.79 including vat & gas surcharge. This week I contacted Flogas to ask what price they were charging, after asking what my account number was I was quoted 44.79ppl at which I replied that other forms of fuel prices had decreased & that a barrel of oil was selling @$40 a barrel. I was then informed that there would be a decrease of 5ppl, with further reductions in the new year. I was asked what percentage of gas was in my tank which is 60% full, she replied by saying that I had sufficiant gas to see me into the New Year & wished me a happy Christmas.
  • nc73
    finally got a reply from bp - 42.95ppl
  • bikingback
    lpg
    Good god, what a minefield this subject is!
    I am just buying a house and moving in on Wednesday. The neighbour helped me out and showed me the LPG tank. So I assumed that I would just phone up the supplier and get the gas delivered. Of course it aint that simple!
    After reading all the correspondence on the subject, I think I will have the heating changed to coal/solid fuel. How has the situation been allowed to develop? I want to be able to shop around for the cheapest option, not tied to a single supplier. Flogas offered me a discounted price of .39p a litre, which included 5%tax. No mention was made of any other charges. I will be checking out the contract, word for word, and will probably wait until 13 April.
    Life is never simple?
    Happy New Year.
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