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    • molokoid
    • By molokoid 29th Jun 08, 5:46 PM
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    Bulk LPG - Cheapest suppliers / supply route?
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    • 29th Jun 08, 5:46 PM
    Bulk LPG - Cheapest suppliers / supply route? 29th Jun 08 at 5:46 PM
    Hi all,

    Moved into a house in Jan that has a bulk LPG tank, which was previously supplied (and the tank is owned by) Calor. The contract they were really keen for me to sign was quite a restrictive lock in one and after speaking and a bit of negotiating they dropped the standing charge and discounted the pence per litre by 12%. This only made me sceptical that they had a lot of fat in the price anyway and there seems to be limited information available on the net about bulk lpg supply (lots of websites that will find you the cheapest supply for a fee!). Seems to be crying out for a MSE article if there are enough bulk lpg owners out there.

    Anyway, i read that there is some sort of regulation coming into the market which allows me to choose the supplier i wish and in turn they buy the tank off the previous owners. This seems to be a more market competitive way of doing it, but i can't find out when this is due to happen.

    Are there any bulk lpg owners out there that can give me some advice?

    TIA
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    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 9th Aug 17, 1:13 PM
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    Renewal time again.

    History:
    Calor 2013 - 45p/l, 16.9p/day, £150 intro bonus. We've used about 3,000 litres in two years, just shy of £1,400 all in.
    Calor 2015 renewal quote... 38p/l yr1, 41p/l yr2, 17.3p/day, £100 renewal bonus. Roughly £1,275.
    Extrafuel 2015 - 29p/l 12mo fix (max 4p/2nd yr), £60/yr, £250 bonus. Roughly £790.

    So...
    Extrafuel 2017 renewal quote - 31.5p/l yr1, 35p/l yr2, 16.43p/day, £0 bonus. Roughly £1,120.

    Lister - Not listed as supplying here (HR3) any more on UKLPG.
    Callow - no reply to quote request via webform, email bounced, phone number not recognised.
    Countrywide - "About 34p/l, but we don't discuss prices over the phone - you can do that at the site survey".
    Flogas - 36.5p/l yr1, uncapped* market rate yr2, 17.2p/day, £0 bonus. Roughly £1,360.
    Cardiff - 36p/l currently, uncapped market rate throughout**, 20p/day, £0 bonus. Roughly £1,350. No contract period.
    Avanti - 29.9p/l yr1, 32.9p/l yr2, 17.2p/day, £100 bonus. Roughly £970.
    Calor - 33p/1 yr1, 36.5p/l yr2, 17.3p/day, £250 bonus. Roughly £920.

    * - I'm assuming 45p/l for yr2.
    ** - I'm assuming the current rate as an average for yr1, with 45p/l yr2.

    Looks like back to Calor, then. Switching/retention bonuses are clearly on the way out.
    • bobmac62
    • By bobmac62 9th Aug 17, 3:04 PM
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    BULK LPG PRICING FOR AUGUST 2017

    New pricing from Woldlink advised as 25.81PPL +5% VAT, up slightly from 24.63PPL in July.
    • Daveahare99
    • By Daveahare99 15th Aug 17, 1:01 PM
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    Flogas are a joke of a company to deal with. Customer service if you can call it that is absolutely shocking. They have somehow managed to get an 8.5 on trust pilot.
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 15th Aug 17, 1:03 PM
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    Renewal time again.

    History:
    Calor 2013 - 45p/l, 16.9p/day, £150 intro bonus. We've used about 3,000 litres in two years, just shy of £1,400 all in.
    Calor 2015 renewal quote... 38p/l yr1, 41p/l yr2, 17.3p/day, £100 renewal bonus. Roughly £1,275.
    Extrafuel 2015 - 29p/l 12mo fix (max 4p/2nd yr), £60/yr, £250 bonus. Roughly £790.

    So...
    Extrafuel 2017 renewal quote - 31.5p/l yr1, 35p/l yr2, 16.43p/day, £0 bonus. Roughly £1,120.

    Lister - Not listed as supplying here (HR3) any more on UKLPG.
    Callow - no reply to quote request via webform, email bounced, phone number not recognised.
    Countrywide - "About 34p/l, but we don't discuss prices over the phone - you can do that at the site survey".
    Flogas - 36.5p/l yr1, uncapped* market rate yr2, 17.2p/day, £0 bonus. Roughly £1,360.
    Cardiff - 36p/l currently, uncapped market rate throughout**, 20p/day, £0 bonus. Roughly £1,350. No contract period.
    Avanti - 29.9p/l yr1, 32.9p/l yr2, 17.2p/day, £100 bonus. Roughly £970.
    Calor - 33p/1 yr1, 36.5p/l yr2, 17.3p/day, £250 bonus. Roughly £920.

    * - I'm assuming 45p/l for yr2.
    ** - I'm assuming the current rate as an average for yr1, with 45p/l yr2.

    Looks like back to Calor, then. Switching/retention bonuses are clearly on the way out.
    Originally posted by AdrianC
    Callow eventually got back to me - 36p/l yr 1, +/-2p cap yr2, no bonus.
    • mcmullank
    • By mcmullank 15th Aug 17, 1:31 PM
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    mcmullank
    Renewal time again.

    History:
    Calor 2013 - 45p/l, 16.9p/day, £150 intro bonus. We've used about 3,000 litres in two years, just shy of £1,400 all in.
    Calor 2015 renewal quote... 38p/l yr1, 41p/l yr2, 17.3p/day, £100 renewal bonus. Roughly £1,275.
    Extrafuel 2015 - 29p/l 12mo fix (max 4p/2nd yr), £60/yr, £250 bonus. Roughly £790.

    So...
    Extrafuel 2017 renewal quote - 31.5p/l yr1, 35p/l yr2, 16.43p/day, £0 bonus. Roughly £1,120.

    Lister - Not listed as supplying here (HR3) any more on UKLPG.
    Callow - no reply to quote request via webform, email bounced, phone number not recognised.
    Countrywide - "About 34p/l, but we don't discuss prices over the phone - you can do that at the site survey".
    Flogas - 36.5p/l yr1, uncapped* market rate yr2, 17.2p/day, £0 bonus. Roughly £1,360.
    Cardiff - 36p/l currently, uncapped market rate throughout**, 20p/day, £0 bonus. Roughly £1,350. No contract period.
    Avanti - 29.9p/l yr1, 32.9p/l yr2, 17.2p/day, £100 bonus. Roughly £970.
    Calor - 33p/1 yr1, 36.5p/l yr2, 17.3p/day, £250 bonus. Roughly £920.

    * - I'm assuming 45p/l for yr2.
    ** - I'm assuming the current rate as an average for yr1, with 45p/l yr2.

    Looks like back to Calor, then. Switching/retention bonuses are clearly on the way out.
    Originally posted by AdrianC
    Interesting that Countrywide would not give you a price over the phone. This is a requirement that was made compulsory by the Competition Commission (See here https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/348295/Domestic_bulk_LPG_Market_Investigation_Order.pdf)

    19.3 A supplier shall make available via a telephone enquiry point quotes for the supply of domestic bulk LPG to a customer, such quotes to be provided in pounds sterling and pence per litre
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 15th Aug 17, 1:37 PM
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    Interesting that Countrywide would not give you a price over the phone. This is a requirement that was made compulsory by the Competition Commission (See here https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/348295/Domestic_bulk_LPG_Market_Investigation_Order.pdf)
    Originally posted by mcmullank
    I would presume the "about 34p" was deliberate to meet the bare minimum of that.
    • foolofbeans
    • By foolofbeans 17th Aug 17, 5:29 PM
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    foolofbeans
    HI
    We had LPG tank installed 3 years ago through Calor and the service and cost has been abominable!
    Out of contract now and refusing to sign on again as they won't give us any better than 52ppl. We really need to switch to save some money but not sure which suppliers are in the South West.
    I am going through the companies on AdrianC's post but wondered how to get such a good deal?
    Prices seem to fluctuate depending on who you talk to at each company and I want to know what I'm doing wrong that we never seem to get offered a half decent deal.
    Any advice appreciated.
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 17th Aug 17, 5:34 PM
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    AdrianC
    I am going through the companies on AdrianC's post but wondered how to get such a good deal?
    Originally posted by foolofbeans
    I just put my postcode (Herefordshire) into http://www.uklpg.org/advice-and-information/switching-your-lpg-supply/ then dropped a simple email to each of the suppliers. They called me or emailed me back over the course of the next day or two, and the figures I've given were the only ones they quoted.
    • JerryW
    • By JerryW 18th Aug 17, 7:57 AM
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    JerryW
    HI
    We had LPG tank installed 3 years ago through Calor and the service and cost has been abominable!
    Out of contract now and refusing to sign on again as they won't give us any better than 52ppl. We really need to switch to save some money but not sure which suppliers are in the South West.
    I am going through the companies on AdrianC's post but wondered how to get such a good deal?
    Prices seem to fluctuate depending on who you talk to at each company and I want to know what I'm doing wrong that we never seem to get offered a half decent deal.
    Any advice appreciated.
    Originally posted by foolofbeans
    - Calor will usually match other quotes if you phone them and ask for sales.
    - But please, do try Woldlink... speak to them on the phone, they are such nice folk to talk to. Just google woldlink. Get your other quotes first then phone them
    • Essexuser
    • By Essexuser 19th Aug 17, 9:49 PM
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    Entirely agree with the above re Woldlink. In the end they couldn't match the price Flogas offered me via LPG Save (even though, as the regulars know, Woldlink source their gas from Flogas) but I have to say Woldlink is the only totally honest LPG supplier I've ever come across.
    Last edited by Essexuser; 19-08-2017 at 9:50 PM. Reason: Grammar correction
    • JerryW
    • By JerryW 20th Aug 17, 9:37 AM
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    JerryW
    Entirely agree with the above re Woldlink. In the end they couldn't match the price Flogas offered me via LPG Save (even though, as the regulars know, Woldlink source their gas from Flogas) but I have to say Woldlink is the only totally honest LPG supplier I've ever come across.
    Originally posted by Essexuser
    Fully agree, with Calor they were pushing the price up all the time and you had to argue with them constantly. Woldlink do that for you (with Flogas) and that is worth something to me.

    I do however wonder about the current Woldlink 6mth pricing.. it is 36.95p/l whereas their monthly pricing, no longer available to new customers, is 25.81p as stated above - a big difference and I think they must have let Flogas shaft them when that price was agreed. It runs until 30 September and I am holding out until then, before ordering any ..
    • mcmullank
    • By mcmullank 20th Aug 17, 8:51 PM
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    mcmullank
    Fully agree, with Calor they were pushing the price up all the time and you had to argue with them constantly. Woldlink do that for you (with Flogas) and that is worth something to me.

    I do however wonder about the current Woldlink 6mth pricing.. it is 36.95p/l whereas their monthly pricing, no longer available to new customers, is 25.81p as stated above - a big difference and I think they must have let Flogas shaft them when that price was agreed. It runs until 30 September and I am holding out until then, before ordering any ..
    Originally posted by JerryW
    I don't think that you can say that they were shafted.

    At the time that the latest fixed price was agreed, the monthly pricing had already been over the previous fix. In January and February the fixed price was 27.85ppl and the monthly was 30.54ppl additionally you had the option of getting a fill before the price changed which is not an option when you are on monthly pricing. It was also around this time that other suppliers were notifying customers of increases to their prices.
    • The Hornet
    • By The Hornet 31st Aug 17, 4:50 PM
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    The Hornet
    I'm just over a year (15 months) into a 2 year contract with Countrywide which was fixed for 1 year at 30ppl. I just received this letter from them:

    It is with sincere regret that I am writing to you to confirm an increase in the cost of LPG. The wholesale LPG market has risen by over 80% in the past twelve months, and despite every effort to reduce the impact of these increases to our customers, we are unable to absorb these market movements alone.

    With immediate effect, your LPG rate will increase by 4.5 pence per litre.

    I understand that increases in the cost of utilities is always unwelcome and I am sorry that this action is necessary. The LPG market has enjoyed a sustained period of stability in recent years, making the past twelve months of instability even more disappointing. Countrywide will continue to monitor the market closely and, as in recent years, will reduce prices when it is possible to do so.


    Looking at the charts it would seem that they are correct in their price assertion so I guess I can't complain too much. As it happens I just got a fill at the old price and should be OK for just one more fill until the contract expires. It'll be interesting to see how prices go over the coming months.
    Originally posted by The Hornet
    Well wouldn't you know! I just got the following email from my friends at CWF:

    Dear Customer,

    It is with regret that I am writing to you to confirm an increase in the cost of LPG. Despite the wholesale LPG market enjoying a sustained period of stability in recent years, it has risen significantly during the past twelve months. Although we have made every effort to reduce the impact of these increases to our customers, we are unable to absorb these movements alone.

    From 1st September 2017, your LPG rate will increase by 3.5 pence per litre.

    I understand that increases in the cost of utilities are always unwelcome and I am sorry that this action is necessary. Countrywide will continue to monitor the market closely and will reduce prices when it is possible to do so.


    Seems odd that this email refers to a "Period of stability in recent years" when 6 months ago I was hit with a price rise due to INstability. Hmm.

    So a total increase of nearly 27% since my 1 year fix ended. As my contract expires around the time I will need my next fill I feel a round of telephone calls coming up.
    • J B
    • By J B 1st Sep 17, 4:27 PM
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    - But please, do try Woldlink... speak to them on the phone, they are such nice folk to talk to. Just google woldlink. Get your other quotes first then phone them
    Originally posted by JerryW
    Just spoke (*) to Robert at Woldlink - they are no longer taking on new customers.
    I'm sure it's nothing to do with Flogas trying to push the price up!

    *= just paid our last bill with them as we have sold the house. He remarked that nobody else had ever unsubscribed from his variable rate contract before!!!
    • Rhino666
    • By Rhino666 11th Sep 17, 9:14 AM
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    J Gas latest price - for info
    Have just had my annual delivery - price 36.27p(inc. VAT.) - 7/9/17
    Last years, delivered 30/11/16 cost 29.4p - price quoted 10/10/16 and had risen to 32.02p by 30/11/16.
    PLEASE DO NOT STEAL
    The Government will not tolerate competition

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    • bobmac62
    • By bobmac62 12th Sep 17, 4:18 PM
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    Seotember lpg pricing
    Monthly LPG pricing for September advised by Woldlink at 28.95PPL + 5% VAT, up from 25.81 in August.
    • collectors
    • By collectors 21st Sep 17, 3:29 PM
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    collectors
    Just spoke (*) to Robert at Woldlink - they are no longer taking on new customers.
    I'm sure it's nothing to do with Flogas trying to push the price up!

    *= just paid our last bill with them as we have sold the house. He remarked that nobody else had ever unsubscribed from his variable rate contract before!!!
    Originally posted by J B
    I tried to go with Robert, but couldn't because i am with Flogas. I thought there was a law on monopolizing things these days & i am not sure how Flogas can dictate terms to Woldlink like this.. . I am just hopping my gas will last 4 weeks till my contract finishes with Flogas so i don't have to have to buy from them again. Would love to go with Woldlink but it will have to be one of the others for 2 years. The nice thing about Woldlink is there honesty. Hope they do well.
    • JerryW
    • By JerryW 25th Sep 17, 9:45 AM
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    Monthly LPG pricing for September advised by Woldlink at 28.95PPL + 5% VAT, up from 25.81 in August.
    Originally posted by bobmac62
    Woldlink bulk price fix for the coming six months from 1 Oct is 36.75p/l, slightly down from the present 36.95. Slightly irritating that the monthly price fix is so much lower ..
    • collectors
    • By collectors 30th Sep 17, 7:43 AM
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    Gas price update
    Just got a price from Flogas at 34 p a litre + a 5p kike on year 2. So i shopped around & got Calor for 34p & a 3.5p hike in year 2 plus £250 worth of gas free..Flogas then came back with a 31.55 Pence Per Litre + 5% VAT, Fixed for 12 Months, 5 pence cap in year-two
    Sorry Flogas, but Calor win hands down with the £250 of free gas.
    At the end of the day Calor win, but would loved to of gone with Woldlink as they give me the feeling of honesty & good prices. But couldn't at the moment because of not taking on customers at the moment. Shame.
    • LPG confused
    • By LPG confused 30th Sep 17, 2:41 PM
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    Hello all fellow LPG consumers,

    Please bear with me - very new to forums so please excuse any forthcoming mistakes..

    I have been reading your numerous comments and advice for some time now and only now I am in a position to start shopping for cheaper LPG.

    The impression that I am getting from reading your comments is that amongst the many contributors on this topic, there seem to be a number of you offering some very expert advice.

    To be 100% honest with you though, alarm bells started ringing when I read a post regarding a comparison site being run by a FLOGAS director ?

    Could someone please be kind enough to explain this to me ?

    Kind regards,

    LPG Confused

    FYI - One of the Sales Directors for Flogas was a Robert Flaxman - maybe one and the same ?
    Originally posted by Lpgnewbie

    FYI - One of the Sales Directors for Flogas was a Robert Flaxman - maybe one and the same ?
    Originally posted by Lpgnewbie
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