Sipp Pension Portfolio - What do you think?
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My dad advised HL was a good choice, as does moneysavingexpert (on its pension page) I was looking at funds only as I thought this would be a safer approach to someone new to investing, rather than individual stocks.
Actually a SIPP is designed to be used by more experienced investors wanting a greater investment choice. It is neither a safe option or a cheap option unless you exclusively use it for low cost assets.As far as the HL fees for funds, it was my understanding that they discount a lot of the fees, at least the upfront fees.
HL discount nothing on the annual charges on their SIPP. They keep the IFA servicing commission (around 0.5%pa) and the platform commission (around 0.3%).I've considered an IFA, but I had assumed it would be the more expensive option than doing it through HL.
On the funds you have, an IFA would be cheaper. However, increasingly, IFAs are dealing with the medium to higher net worth individuals and you would find many would either not offer terms to you or price themselves as a passive blocker to you. That said, some would still offer good terms and still come in cheaper than HL. Then you could spend some years learning about investing rather than take a hit and hope approach paying around 4 times more than you need. Then when your fund gets to around £10k-£15k, it will then be at a level that it will actually make sense to start playing with the investments.
However, if you are happy to pay more and want control at this stage, then HL isnt bad. You just need to be aware that it isnt as cheap as is often made out.I have considered ETFs, from what I've read they seem to be a more short term version of passive tracker funds and a fairly new thing not usually found in some pensions.
All SIPPs offer ETFs. Not that new but you are getting into experienced investor areas where the risks are greater than unit trust/OEIC/SICAVs etc.I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.0 -
Hi Phil,
You have some nice funds there but I'm not sure that they all sit together too well. HL are a great firm to use if choosing your own investments, sure there are cheaper alternatives but not so many who are consistently delivering excellent customer service in my experience.So here are my 10 choices:
Global Emerging Mkts funds:
First State Asia Pacific Leaders Class A Accumulation UnitsCautious Managed Funds:
Invesco Perpetual Distribution Fund Accumulation SharesUk Smaller Companies:
Marlborough Special SituationsSpecialist funds:
BlackRock Gold & General Income UnitsAbsolute Return:
Newton Real Return Fund Class A Income Units
CF Miton Special Situations Portfolio A AccumulationCorporate Bonds:
M&G Strategic Corporate Bond Class X Income
Fidelity Moneybuilder Income Income SharesPassive:
HSBC FTSE 250 Index Income Units
HSBC Pacific Index Accumulation Units
It may be worthwhile using Trustnet or Morningstar to analyse your intended portfolio and get a good picture of where the money is going compared to where you think that it is going, for example is the Asia or Emerging Mkts % as high as you think?
I wish you well, hope the above helps a little.
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Hi Dunstoh,
Thanks you have given me some things to think about.
I'm not entirely clear on the costs of an IFA vs a HL SIPP so I guess its something I would have to investigate. Passive funds do seem a cheap option, so it was my thinking I could bring the costs down using these. I'm surprised HL would charge more than an IFA as surely an IFA would do more, but I guess HL are attractive with no upfront fees/lots of choice of investment.
Thanks, Phil0 -
I'm surprised HL would charge more than an IFA as surely an IFA would do more, but I guess HL are attractive with no upfront fees/lots of choice of investment.
HL retail a product that pays them 0.5% a year (in most cases). They also get paid a hidden commission of around 0.25% (varies with fund). So, by offering the product they do, they get around 0.75%. Its a big money maker for them.
An IFA can retail pensions with charges as low as 0.2% p.a. However, you will pay a fee up front to cover the advice and setting up. For small funds, it isnt worth it in the short term. However, for large funds, it can be as the breakeven point can happen after just a few year years.
Also, take the Trojan fund mentioned higher up on this thread. HL retail the I version which has a TER of 1.56%. IFAs can retail the O version which has 1.06% TER. In some cases, HL can be cheaper, in some cases an IFA.Passive funds do seem a cheap option, so it was my thinking I could bring the costs down using these.
Until you get to around £10k, you may as well. Until the fund is big enough, the difference in the returns actually has little impact in the scheme of things. For example, £100pm into the HSBC 250 fund over 10 years returned £18,571 with the pacific giving £20,992. Yet it took 7 years for them to really start to separate with any meaningful value. For example, had you started in Oct 2001 with £100pm into each fund, the value of the funds would have been identical in July 2007. It was when the funds started to get towards £10k that the differences started to show.I am a little concerned of talk of a double dip recession, and wonder if now is the time to start with these particular investments.
You do realise that nearly every decade there is a recession. The events like this are not the first and will not be the last. Most recessions are W in shape (even if the second wave doesnt actually make it into recession, the recovery shape is often a W).
For long term regular contributions, events like these can be great for long term growth. One of the reasons endowments started to fail was the lack of a significant market drop during the 90s followed by two big ones in the 2000s. All that money paid in during the growth years didnt have those periods where the prices dropped and units were bought cheaper which would then go on to make more when prices rose again. They just went up and up and then down. (there is more to it than that but thats a whole different subject). Regular payments work well in volatile markets. You are not retiring this year or in the next 5. So dont let it worry you.I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.0 -
Buy bonds when rates are high I reckon. I only keep to emerging currency bonds as I think they could increase more then expected if dollar and even its bonds become proportionally less used in world cash flow0
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I am a little concerned of talk of a double dip recession, and wonder if now is the time to start with these particular investments.
So here are my 10 choices:
Absolute Return:
Newton Real Return Fund Class A Income Units
CF Miton Special Situations Portfolio A Accumulation
With 40 years to go until retirement, a double-dip recession in the next few years will tend be insignificant as you are just starting off.
As suggested by Totton, run your funds through a portfolio analyser tool: you might find that you have a high weighting towards bonds with the current selection. Given your timescales you might want to consider a lower weighting in this area.
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The CF Miton fund is in the Balanced Managed sector rather than Absolute ReturnLiving for tomorrow might mean that you survive the day after.
It is always different this time. The only thing that is the same is the outcome.
Portfolios are like personalities - one that is balanced is usually preferable.
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Thanks all for the helpful posts. Its given me some more clarity on what is a very complex field.
Totton, Thanks for the detailed input.
The Blackrock fund one was one of my least favourites, and seems a gamble to me, in that some people say it will catch up with Gold, others say no, but could pay off.
With the bond funds, I was going to narrow it down to one of the M&G or Moneybuilder as soon as I decide which I think is better.
I was indeed thinking of using the passive funds as a core holding, and I'll check for the tools at trustnet/morningstar so I can work towards a balanced portfolio, thanks for that I was wondering where I could find a tool to do that.
Interesting what you say regarding Absolute Return funds, they seemed like a safer choice to me in a volatile economy, but I guess that's probably more to do with how they are marketed and are not quite as good as some make out, particular with the high fees.
Thanks, Phil0 -
The Blackrock fund one was one of my least favourites, and seems a gamble to me, in that some people say it will catch up with Gold, others say no, but could pay off.0
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Hi Reaper,
Thanks for that I'll have to check out Investec Global Gold as well. The funds with the higher charges always seem to be publicised more, lol. There are lots of divided opinions when it comes to Gold, which is why it wasn't one of my favourites, but Gold Mining funds could pay off well for those willing to give it a go.
Thanks, Phil0 -
Hi again,
Whilst looking at the Investec fund it may prove worthwhile to also review Blackrock World Mining IT (BRWM), I recently sold out of it but with the recent falls it is back on my 'watch list' for exposure to that sector.
HTH,
Mickey0
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