Cheapest Financial Advisor

Hope someone can help.

I feel as if I have a pretty good handle on the world of finance. I knew that my DB pension scheme would close to new accruals, and it has, and I was ready to move my pension to an execution only SIPP where I could manage my pension myself.

I am having trouble that I didn't plan on though. Finding a financial advisor who will just give me some low cost advice on the pension is proving difficult. So far the ones I have spoken to have come up with costs that charge me literally an arm and a leg. The irony is the the FCA rules about taking financial advice before moving a DB pension means that financial can rip me off for financial advice that I don't really want or need, but have to have because it is a legal requirement. I either have to accept this large cost, or hope that my pension isn't ravaged by inflation (my DB scheme has next to no inflation proofing).

Worse still, many of the execution only SIPP providers are acting pretty much as a cartel rather than as a utility, and will refuse to accept the transfer unless the financial advisor agrees it. I hadn't realised that the whole system was so bad.

So my question to you people out there, can anyone tell me how to go about finding a financial advisor that wont cost an arm and a leg to help me transfer my pension?
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  • k6chris
    k6chris Posts: 738 Forumite
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    What are the actual costs you have been quoted?
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  • hyubh
    hyubh Posts: 3,531 Forumite
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    I either have to accept this large cost, or hope that my pension isn't ravaged by inflation (my DB scheme has next to no inflation proofing)

    What do you mean by this exactly - that the scheme provides statutory revaluation, followed by statutory increases in payment? Do you have any GMP?
    Worse still, many of the execution only SIPP providers are acting pretty much as a cartel rather than as a utility, and will refuse to accept the transfer unless the financial advisor agrees it. I hadn't realised that the whole system was so bad.

    If you wish to blame something, blame paternalistic legislation that seeks to prevent people in your situation rushing into bad decisions.
  • my DB scheme has next to no inflation proofing
    It gas pretty good inflation proofing if you're no longer an active member.
  • hjd
    hjd Posts: 1,214 Forumite
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    So far the ones I have spoken to have come up with costs that charge me literally an arm and a leg.

    Really? Literally?
  • Aegis
    Aegis Posts: 5,688 Forumite
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    hjd wrote: »
    Really? Literally?
    Oddly enough I don't think the regulator has specifically banned organ or limb settlement of fees...
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  • HappyHarry
    HappyHarry Posts: 1,587 Forumite
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    edited 19 January 2018 at 5:09PM
    Hope someone can help.

    I feel as if I have a pretty good handle on the world of finance. I knew that my DB pension scheme would close to new accruals, and it has, and I was ready to move my pension to an execution only SIPP where I could manage my pension myself.

    I am having trouble that I didn't plan on though. Finding a financial advisor who will just give me some low cost advice on the pension is proving difficult. So far the ones I have spoken to have come up with costs that charge me literally an arm and a leg.

    I would hope you don't literally mean 'literally'. It would be a most unusual charging model.

    The adviser needs to give you advice. That's what the law says. The adviser needs to fully understand your position, your objectives, and then advise a transfer as being in your best interests. All this must be carefully documented, and if you complain about the advice in 30 year's time, the adviser will still be on the hook for it. As this is one of the highest risk pieces of advice an adviser can give, it tends to make advisers a little nervous, especially when a client has already determined that a transfer is in their own best interest, and the client wants to manage the investments themselves.

    Hopefully, that will make sense as to why advisers tend to charge such high fees for this advice. You will find many advisers who just don't want this kind of work, and will quite happily price themselves out of it. You will also find many advisers who don't have the ability to do this work, and can't take it on never mind how much you might pay them.


    The irony is the the FCA rules about taking financial advice before moving a DB pension means that financial can rip me off for financial advice that I don't really want or need, but have to have because it is a legal requirement.

    The trouble is, the vast majority of people looking at transferring their DB pensions don't actually know what they are doing, or fully understand the implications. People get blinded by big numbers, and don't think about about consequences further down the line.

    It may well be that you are not in the majority, however, the government has decided to implement the rules as they are, to protect a large number of people from making a very poor long-term financial decision. There are people out there with incredibly good pension knowledge, even those that have designed pension schemes and run large schemes themselves as pension trustees, and these people also need to have to take advice to transfer.
    I either have to accept this large cost, or hope that my pension isn't ravaged by inflation (my DB scheme has next to no inflation proofing).

    If the adviser fees make the difference as to whether you should transfer or not from a financial perspective, then it's a strong indicator that a transfer is unsuitable.
    Worse still, many of the execution only SIPP providers are acting pretty much as a cartel rather than as a utility, and will refuse to accept the transfer unless the financial advisor agrees it. I hadn't realised that the whole system was so bad.

    The providers are even more nervous about being sued than the advisers are.
    So my question to you people out there, can anyone tell me how to go about finding a financial advisor that wont cost an arm and a leg to help me transfer my pension?

    You could just leave your pension where it is, that won't cost you anything at all.
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  • dunstonh
    dunstonh Posts: 116,342 Forumite
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    Finding a financial advisor who will just give me some low cost advice on the pension is proving difficult. So far the ones I have spoken to have come up with costs that charge me literally an arm and a leg.

    You need a specialist adviser with a specific higher qualification. You need a firm willing to transact in that area (which results in higher ongoing costs for life). You are asking to do one of the highest risk transactions an adviser can do. You are adding to that risk further by being a DIY investor. Its worth noting that historically, 4 out of 5 of this type of transaction would be considered a missale and the regulator generally treats them as missales unless proven otherwise.

    So, expecting it to be low cost is perhaps the problem.

    Long after you have paid your fee, the adviser firm will be suffering an annual increased cost because of your transaction
    Worse still, many of the execution only SIPP providers are acting pretty much as a cartel rather than as a utility, and will refuse to accept the transfer unless the financial advisor agrees it.

    Of course they are refusing to accept it. They dont want the liability when they know it would result in fines in the millions or even being totally shut down. Pension providers are not utility companies.

    If the case is so borderline that the fee makes even the slightest difference then it should not be done.
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  • xylophone
    xylophone Posts: 44,375 Forumite
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    A deferred DB pension with
    next to no inflation protection?

    Is there a GMP? If so, is it pre 88 or post 88?

    https://www.barnett-waddingham.co.uk/comment-insight/blog/2014/08/18/what-is-a-gmp/

    https://www.barnett-waddingham.co.uk/comment-insight/blog/2012/07/24/revaluation-for-early-leavers/

    Have you obtained a new state pension statement?

    https://www.gov.uk/check-state-pension
  • My DB to DC transfer went through earlier this month, after months of researching and deliberating. Shopped around for ages looking for a pension transfer specialist IFA I was happy with. Ended up paying 1.25% of the pot, approx. £5K. Some other quotes were double that. At the moment, this feels like money well spent, it took a long time working through the pros and cons with the IFA before finally coming to a decision I was completely happy with.
  • Dorian1958 wrote: »
    My DB to DC transfer went through earlier this month, after months of researching and deliberating. Shopped around for ages looking for a pension transfer specialist IFA I was happy with. Ended up paying 1.25% of the pot, approx. £5K. Some other quotes were double that. At the moment, this feels like money well spent, it took a long time working through the pros and cons with the IFA before finally coming to a decision I was completely happy with.

    Very similar here but worked out around 1.33% for me and more than happy with the advice given.

    I've seen some quotes between 4-5% from co-workers but shop around.

    Even though I shopped around I still went with a recommended IFA, it wasn't a random search.
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