Rock safe investment?

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Reading the finacial colums means that I am extremely suspicious of asking banks or any other part of the financial world questions on investment because to put it simply they appear to be a bunch of crooks and the so called independent financial advisors do not seem much better. For the first time in my life I have a reasonably large sum of money and I do not want to buy an annuity because it would really annoy me were I to buy it one week and die the next. Can anyone suggest a rock safe investment for about £100,000? I thought of National Savings but know nothing of finance.
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  • dunstonh
    dunstonh Posts: 116,371 Forumite
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    Thanks for considering us all a bunch of crooks. Every industry and profession has duff or dodgy people. It doesnt mean you should tarnish everyone with the same brush. Based on my recent experience, if i was to take you view, that would make every mechanic, shop assistant, doctor, nurse and teachers a bunch of crooks.

    Rock safe? Stick 100k of 20s in the bank safe and insure it. ;)

    Nat Savings is almost as safe but be wary that some of their savings are paid gross of tax but will have to be declared on your tax return giving you a bill at the end of the tax year.
    I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.
  • Joe_Bloggs
    Joe_Bloggs Posts: 4,535 Forumite
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    @BML
    I can think of 100,000 reasons why you should be mistrusting. If you have the time and motivation then it might be a good to educate yourself regarding your financial future.
    Nobody has a crystal ball and this thread is 90% savings and the rest complaints about being ripped off with investments.

    If you are worried about your health then pay for a proper checkup where they do tests and scans.

    If you want bargain anuity then take up excessive; smoking, drinking and a spot of mountain climbing.
    It's your money and you are the boss.
    J_B.
  • DiggingOut
    DiggingOut Posts: 770 Forumite
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    I do not want to buy an annuity because it would really annoy me were I to buy it one week and die the next.
    :o
    If you are dead, I doubt your annoyance about money will last long.... ;D

    I suppose index-linked gilts might be an option (anyone know if these are still available)?  Safe, and protected from inflation.  Not a great return, but rock-safe doesn't give great returns.

    Use your mini-cash ISA allowance (and your spouse's, if married).  Abbey Postal ISA has the best rate of return right now.

    You don't trust IFAs but you trust a bunch of people on the internet?

    Ask everyone you know if they know of any good, trustworthy IFAs.  There are some out there.  No, I wouldn't trust any one that comes along.  But it is not unlikely that someone you know knows a good one.

    Alternatively, you can take the time to really educate yourself.

    Another option is to set up appointments with four different IFAs to see what they recommend.  If their recommendations differ, ask them why.  Ask each one what is wrong with the advice the others gave, and why their advice is better.  Chances are good that you will be able to tell who is stringing you along and who is being straight with you.

    Then, post back here and we can put in our comments as well, if you want.

    But eventually, you are going to have to make your decision.
    I have five stars! This doesn't mean that I know anything about any of the things I post. I could be a raving lunatic, or a brilliant genius, or just some guy on the internet. In fact, I could be all three at the same time.

    If anything I say makes sense, then do it. If not, don't. Don't blame me or my stars if you do something stupid because I suggested it. I'm responsible for my own stupidity only. You are responsible for yours.

    Why, I don't even have five stars anymore! Aren't you glad you aren't responsible for my stupidity?
  • Yorkieds
    Yorkieds Posts: 57 Forumite
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    Rock Solid Investment, does it exist?

    Put £49,999 with Cahoot at 5.5% and do the same with A&L for 24 months, then become an Investment tart, ie consistently moving the money to the best interest bearing account.

    If you have a mortgage Pay it off!
  • Yorkieds
    Yorkieds Posts: 57 Forumite
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    For even better advice look up the article on this site:

    Making your savings maximise their earnings
    and open the link
    'the savings fountain'
  • paul666
    paul666 Posts: 95 Forumite
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    Since you're talking about annuities, you must be close to retirement. If this is the case then I'd suggest you try to find out more about SIPP's. This allows you to invest your pension pot in all sorts of things such as cash/bonds/equities/property. To get better advice, you going to need to talk about your attitude to risk (very risk averse?), your age, how much 'spare/emergency' cash you also have and so on. Since you have such a huge gob of cash available, I'd suggest finding a personal recommendation for an IFA or hanging out on https://www.fool.co.uk
  • Pal
    Pal Posts: 2,076 Forumite
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    I completely disagree with Paul666.

    A SIPP is the last place most people should put their money and certainly someone who doesn't understand investments, given that most funds and investment are accessible through personal pension or stakeholder policies for lower fees. It also ties him into buying an annuity which he says he doesn't want. Also he cannot contribute that much to any pension (including a SIPP) because it will breach the contribution limits, so would have to contribute over a number of years.

    SIPPS are only useful for very specialist portfolios, and I am not convinced that most of those few people who have specialist portfolios actually need them. A normal personal pension or a stakeholder usually allow you to invest in cash/bonds/property funds and so on if that is what you want to do.

    Finally, hanging around on fool.com is not a good way for people to learn investments. While some of the people there are intelligent (I pop in from time to time ;D) most obviously do not have a clue what they are doing. This is not a critism of fool particularly, as the same applies to most investment information boards. They attract people who are looking for an easy buck and those that believe that they can choose investments by studying past company or fund performance information. They also do not represent a reasonable sample of results because people tend to post when they are ahead but very few people post when their chosen investments are performing badly, misleading the casual reading into believing that selecting your own outperforming investments is easy.

    If anyone is interested, if you ever want to see real idiots pretending that they know about investments, pick up a copy of "Professional Adviser" magazine, a magazine that caters for the "investment advice professional". If that doesn't start you questioning your IFA's recommendations, nothing will.

    By all means hang around fool for the general advice provided, but don't touch the investment related boards.
  • DiggingOut
    DiggingOut Posts: 770 Forumite
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    This is a dangerous thing to say, because his head is already so swollen, :D but I agree with Pal on SIPPS. This is not for the faint of heart or for those who don't know exactly what they are doing.
    I have five stars! This doesn't mean that I know anything about any of the things I post. I could be a raving lunatic, or a brilliant genius, or just some guy on the internet. In fact, I could be all three at the same time.

    If anything I say makes sense, then do it. If not, don't. Don't blame me or my stars if you do something stupid because I suggested it. I'm responsible for my own stupidity only. You are responsible for yours.

    Why, I don't even have five stars anymore! Aren't you glad you aren't responsible for my stupidity?
  • paul666
    paul666 Posts: 95 Forumite
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    I completely disagree with Paul666.
    Gosh!
    I didn't think my comment was too far off target given the thin information available. I tend to regard SIPP's as a more flexible retirement vehicle for people with large amounts to invest. I'd not suggest it if I thought the original poster was going to use it to buy 100k's worth of a single company share. However, I'd suggest that since most people don't have 100k to invest, that they investigate stuff that most people wouldn't use. I've got a nice little stakeholder myself but if and when the pot is huge I'll investigate the SIPP option more thoroughly. There's nothing to stop a SIPP investor investing in 'safe' stuff like fixed income or cash which are often more difficult in a high street stakeholder.

    As regards the fool, yes there are some complete muppets on there but the main purpose of the site is to educate and inform and as a source of balanced information I think it has no equal. The chat boards are lively and often amusing and the articles are often thought provoking. There is also good advice about styles of investing

    I'd agree that anyone visiting the fool for only a short period of time might get some very bad advice but as with most open conferencing systems you need to visit often and ask a few questions before you start getting a general feeling about the site and the ability to to make up your own mind about where the quality information is.

    I'd regard this board as more unreliable than the fool since posting a message here doesn't require any kind of signup.

    I'd like to hear any suggestions about alternative forms of money planning/investement advice you know of apart from IFA's (let's not go there eh?) or books (that tend to go out of date pretty quick)
  • dunstonh
    dunstonh Posts: 116,371 Forumite
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    I can see where Paul is coming from. 100k is a large enough amount to consider more specialist options, such as SIPPs.

    I can also see where the others are coming from. With SIPPs you really need to know more about investing and have an interest in following it.

    My view based on the very little information posted is that i doubt that SIPP would be appropriate as i get the impression BML is not very knowledgeable in investment strategies.

    Personally I have a Personal Pension. It has lower fees than a Stakeholder. (just to point out that Stakeholder doesnt always mean cheapest as was posted on this thread).
    I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.
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