PCCN after Oct 1st

reallyangry · 5 October 2012 at 7:33PM

Hi

I've got a PCCN from NCP today and after reading all the advice on here had settled on not paying the fine. Then I read about the new legislation that came into force on 1st Oct, does that mean I will now have to pay it or is it still advisable to just ignore it?

I parked over the line but to be fair there's no way in hell you'd be able to park in the bay next to me unless it was a motor bike because its against a brick wall and in all the years I've parked in that car park many other people have done the same in the exact same space. I drove round the car park and photographed every car that had done exactly the same without them getting a ticket one of which was just 4 bays away from my car!

I've checked and it's definitely a ticket from NCP and is not a council owned car park.

Any advice or help would be much appreciated, I'd like to sleep tonight.

Thanks

trisontana · 5 October 2012 at 7:43PM

Private parking ticket. Not a fine. Just ignore.

Coupon-mad · 5 October 2012 at 7:45PM

Why not click one click back to the current forum, and read the stickies? See my signature for where to click in the blue link, top of page.

Third thread down tells all, including showing you preview pics of the letters that will be sent to the registered keeper.

And there are endless threads about this new Act and the POPLA appeals service.

Of course you don't have to pay it, these fake PCNs have not suddenly become enforceable fines. Do some reading of the threads on the forum then get a good night's sleep having found your answers covered several times over.

taffy056 · 5 October 2012 at 7:46PM

Ignore it if you are the RK of the vehicle, you paid to park there so there is no loss to ncp as nobody else could park there, so it's an unenforceable invoice. If you wish to write to them to deny the alleged debt then take it popla that has just come in, you could cost them a bit of money as they must pay £32.40 for any appeal at popla and its binding on them but not you. Let us know what you wish to do.

reallyangry · 5 October 2012 at 8:14PM

Think I will ignore it, just read another post regarding the wording on tickets after 1st Oct, they only mention appeals going to them.

thanks very much for all your advice.

RENEGADE_2 · 5 October 2012 at 8:18PM

What you need to remember is, the new procedure - with which no PPC seems to be complying - still doesn't make the invoice payable. It only enables PPCs to go after the keeper. Once it is seen that the PPC is pushing for ridiculous sums amounting to a penalty, they will advance no further.

The_Slithy_Tove · 5 October 2012 at 8:18PM

It would be interesting to know the actual wording on the ticket. In order to make use of the new legislation, they have to conform to quite specific wording on the PCN:

7(1)A notice which is to be relied on as a notice to driver for the purposes of paragraph 6(1)(a) is given in accordance with this paragraph if the following requirements are met.
(2)The notice must—
(a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;
(b)inform the driver of the requirement to pay parking charges in respect of the specified period of parking and describe those charges, the circumstances in which the requirement arose (including the means by which it was brought to the attention of drivers) and the other facts that made those charges payable;
(c)inform the driver that the parking charges relating to the specified period of parking have not been paid in full and specify the total amount of the unpaid parking charges relating to that period, as at a time which is—
(i)specified in the notice; and
(ii)no later than the time specified under paragraph (f);
(d)inform the driver of any discount offered for prompt payment and the arrangements for the resolution of disputes or complaints that are available;
(e)identify the creditor and specify how and to whom payment may be made;
(f)specify the time when the notice is given and the date.
(3)The notice must relate only to a single period of parking specified under sub-paragraph (2)(a) (but this does not prevent the giving of separate notices each specifying different parts of a single period of parking).
(4)The notice must be given—
(a)before the vehicle is removed from the relevant land after the end of the period of parking to which the notice relates, and
(b)while the vehicle is stationary,
by affixing it to the vehicle or by handing it to a person appearing to be in charge of the vehicle.
(5)In sub-paragraph (2)(d) the reference to arrangements for the resolution of disputes or complaints includes—
(a)any procedures offered by the creditor for dealing informally with representations by the driver about the notice or any matter contained in it; and
(b)any arrangements under which disputes or complaints (however described) may be referred by the driver to independent adjudication or arbitration.

If it fails any of this, then it's dead in the water, and they cannot pursue the registered keeper if you don't tell them who the driver was (and, naturally, you don't own up to being the driver as well as the keeper).

reallyangry · 5 October 2012 at 8:43PM

ok here goes verbatim:

HOW TO APPEAL

If you feel that you have received this Parking Contravention Charge Notice incorrectly or should not be liable to make payment for this notice an appeal must be received by us within fourteen (14) days of the issue date of this notice.

Please send any appeals to National Car Parks Limited, Notice Processing, PO Box 839, Northampton NN4 4AL. Clearly state within your appeal the Parking contravention Charge Notice number, your vehicle registration mark and you grounds for appeal. Appeals can also be submitted online at www-ncp-co-uk/pcn

Appeals will be reviewed in line with our terms and conditions.

taffy056 · 5 October 2012 at 8:46PM

Ok it means the ticket is invalid, as it does not mention the proper appeals process, if you were bloody minded enough I would take this to popla so it costs them £32. I presume you are in England or Wales yes ?

reallyangry · 5 October 2012 at 8:48PM

yes i'm in England

The_Slithy_Tove · 5 October 2012 at 8:50PM

I assume that the PCCN mentions the amount and the contravention somewhere!

However, on the appeals, it fails on (5)(b), so they have not conformed to the law, and can't use the POFA to their benefit (though they'll think they can).

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