Entitlement following seperation

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  • FBaby
    FBaby Posts: 18,367 Forumite
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    I don't think she can have it both ways. She is indeed entitled to half the equity of the house (or possibly even more with a good solicitor) even if her name in not on the deeds but if he can prove one of the loan was for home improvement, then she can expect that this would be deducted from the equity before what she's entitled to is worked out.

    She needs to start thinking of how far she wants to take matters. Does she wants to go for 1/2 the equity of the house or more? Does she wants to go for his pension contribution? Is she happy to go for what she thinks is fair, or go for anything she can get? In the first instance, she can try to discuss things with him and come home with an agreement. Certainly the cheapest option. Or if she wants to try to get as much as she can, then she needs to get for a top marital lawyer, pay him a lot of money and let him do his job.
  • pinkshoes
    pinkshoes Posts: 20,082 Forumite
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    Oakdene wrote: »

    She wanted him to buy her out but he said that if that happens she will be responsible for his existing debts, however I can only see her being liable for half of the home improvement loan?

    He is correct - they are married, so any debts and equity are shared.

    She could be entitled to half the equity in the house, but half the joint debt can then be deducted from this share.

    Is there any equity in the house?

    If he has a large pension, she will be entitled to a chunk of this if she has given up a career to look after the Kids. It depends how long of his pension pot was built up before they met.

    Likewise, he will be entitled to half of any her equity and liable for half her debts.

    As she has custody, he will need to pay child maintenance.

    This will all get very complicated, so best to see a solicitor.
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  • Oakdene
    Oakdene Posts: 2,560 Forumite
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    Thanks all, will have a look at the guide now...

    The house is worth around £190k & I know there is about £145k mortgage, she has said to her other half that all she wants is £10k
    Dwy galon, un dyhead,
    Dwy dafod ond un iaith,
    Dwy raff yn cydio’n ddolen,
    Dau enaid ond un taith.
  • TBagpuss
    TBagpuss Posts: 11,203 Forumite
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    Oakdene wrote: »
    Hi all

    I'd like to start by saying I have told my friend to get to a solicitor sharpish but she cant see one until late next week so I'm seeking info to help reassure her or to show her what will happen...

    A very close friend of mine is about to separate from her husband following him being unfaithful on a number of occasions. (This is not me, I am neither party- I am very single at the moment)... Anyway they have two children together (she will take custody of the children) but she is moving out as she doesn't want to be anywhere near the marital home.

    The mortgage is in his name, she isn't on it however she pays towards bills for the home. He has various loans in his name (car finance, loan for home improvement, CC) & she has a HP agreement for her car & a CC.

    Her mortgage advisor asked whether her husband would be giving her a share of the house so she can set up her own home & when she asked him he said he didn't have to as she wasn't on the deeds/mortgage & that if he gives her some equity from the house she would be liable for his debts.
    She should register her Matrimonial Home Rights in the property immediately.(See: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/notice-of-home-rights-registration-hr1)


    Unless the marriage was very short, it's likely that she will be entitled to share of the equity.

    However, the cpourt (if it gets that far) has to look at the whole picture, so if the debts are equal to or greater than the equity there may be nothing left to split.

    She is now scared that she is upping sticks & will be entitled to nothing. Can anyone advise as to whether she

    a) has a claim on equity in the house
    b) will she be liable for debts in his name?

    Thanks in advance...
    She is not liable to any third party for any debt unless it is in joint names or she signed as a guarator.

    For debts in the sole name of one party, the court would look at how the debt was built up. If the money was used for the beenfit of both aprties (e.g. credit card debt where the card was used to pay for hpoushold bills, or for a family holiday) then the court will treat it as a matrimonial debt and take it into account when deciding how to split the assets.

    if the debt pre-dateed the relationship or was built up by hm for his sole bebenfot then it is less likely it will be taken into account.

    A court also looks at all of the relevant factos - includingthings like their respective ages, income and earning capacity, housing and other needs and the needs of any children. 50/50 uis the stating point but may not be the ultimate outcome.

    She should bear in mind that it is not up to her husband, and that she should not assume either that he knows what he is talking about 9unless he is divorce lawyer!) or that he has her interests at heart or is looking for a fair outcome.

    As well as the house, assets such as any pensions, savings , valuable items etc will also all be relevant, as will the any children of the family and their requirements and care.
    All posts are my personal opinion, not formal advice Always get proper, professional advice (particularly about anything legal!)
  • Oakdene
    Oakdene Posts: 2,560 Forumite
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    Hi All

    Just a quick follow up, the seperation is well under way & the husband offered my friend a settlement of £35k to her which he wanted to raise by adding to the mortgage, something their lender was happy to do. However he very foolishly forgot that when he took the existing mortgage out there was a clause which stated that there can be no additional borrowing on the house for 7 years. The only way he can proceed is to pay a £10k penalty.

    He has now changed his tune & said ' if you want the house, I’ll see you in court then and you haven’t got a hope because my parents contributed to the deposit and they have said they will do a statement for it to be presented in court, so that you won’t get your hands on the house’

    Am I right in saying that if nothing exists on the title deeds to the property saying that upon sale of the house his parents get £xxx first then this cannot be enforced?
    Dwy galon, un dyhead,
    Dwy dafod ond un iaith,
    Dwy raff yn cydio’n ddolen,
    Dau enaid ond un taith.
  • Guest101
    Guest101 Posts: 15,764 Forumite
    Oakdene wrote: »
    Hi All

    Just a quick follow up, the seperation is well under way & the husband offered my friend a settlement of £35k to her which he wanted to raise by adding to the mortgage, something their lender was happy to do. However he very foolishly forgot that when he took the existing mortgage out there was a clause which stated that there can be no additional borrowing on the house for 7 years. The only way he can proceed is to pay a £10k penalty.

    He has now changed his tune & said ' if you want the house, I’ll see you in court then and you haven’t got a hope because my parents contributed to the deposit and they have said they will do a statement for it to be presented in court, so that you won’t get your hands on the house’

    Am I right in saying that if nothing exists on the title deeds to the property saying that upon sale of the house his parents get £xxx first then this cannot be enforced?



    Its complicated.


    The parents will also have signed to say the money was a gift...
  • Oakdene
    Oakdene Posts: 2,560 Forumite
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    Guest101 wrote: »
    Its complicated.


    The parents will also have signed to say the money was a gift...

    I dont think they did from what I have been told...
    Dwy galon, un dyhead,
    Dwy dafod ond un iaith,
    Dwy raff yn cydio’n ddolen,
    Dau enaid ond un taith.
  • TonyMMM
    TonyMMM Posts: 3,380 Forumite
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    And what does her solicitor advise ?
  • Oakdene
    Oakdene Posts: 2,560 Forumite
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    TonyMMM wrote: »
    And what does her solicitor advise ?

    Nothing at the moment, this has all occurred in the last two hours so shes waiting to get appt with her solicitor
    Dwy galon, un dyhead,
    Dwy dafod ond un iaith,
    Dwy raff yn cydio’n ddolen,
    Dau enaid ond un taith.
  • Guest101
    Guest101 Posts: 15,764 Forumite
    Oakdene wrote: »
    I dont think they did from what I have been told...



    I don't know any lender that would complete with a 3rd party stake in the property........
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