Who's in the wrong (overtaking - video inside)?

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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 7,175 Forumite
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    Rule 168

    Being overtaken. If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a steady course and speed, slowing down if necessary to let the vehicle pass. Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass. Speeding up or driving unpredictably while someone is overtaking you is dangerous. Drop back to maintain a two-second gap if someone overtakes and pulls into the gap in front of you.

    That must be omitted from the HGV version of the Highway Code.

    You know like when they take 5 miles to overtake another lorry on a dual carriageway. This.
  • almillar
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    (a) He was filtering - the bikers say there's no law against filtering. Seeing as the law's the same for cars & bikes.....

    That's an obtuse way to look at it. Without having to have it written in law, bikes are able to filter, cars aren't - they're different sizes.

    Can't see the start of the incident, but both drivers' behaviour is disgraceful from the start of the vid. If the Mondeo was trying to overtake, he should have made sure he had a gap to safely move into when he started the manoeuvre - if he failed to do that, he's at fault. If the Pug driver had a gap in front of him and closed it, then he's at fault. It's escalated way beyond that by the time we join in, though.
  • boliston
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    Deleted_User wrote: »
    That must be omitted from the HGV version of the Highway Code.

    You know like when they take 5 miles to overtake another lorry on a dual carriageway. This.

    they probably have set schedules so slowing down on every overtake could impact on that - and having to slow by a maximum of 14mph for a short while is not the end of the world
  • Car_54
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    Deleted_User wrote: »
    That must be omitted from the HGV version of the Highway Code.

    You know like when they take 5 miles to overtake another lorry on a dual carriageway. This.

    Rule 163 must also be omitted:

    "You should ... move quickly past the vehicle you are overtaking, once you have started to overtake."
  • boliston
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    Car_54 wrote: »
    Rule 163 must also be omitted:

    "You should ... move quickly past the vehicle you are overtaking, once you have started to overtake."

    What happens if a car is doing 69mph and you want to overtake as you only have a 1mph margin to work with
  • hareng
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    Car_54 wrote: »
    Rule 163 must also be omitted:

    "You should ... move quickly past the vehicle you are overtaking, once you have started to overtake."

    Same applies with the lane hoggers, no reason for it except theyre wanting to turn right 4 mile down the road nothing on the lane should be in.
  • Car_54
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    boliston wrote: »
    What happens if a car is doing 69mph and you want to overtake as you only have a 1mph margin to work with

    In an ideal world, you'd be disqualfied for stupidity.
  • boliston
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    Car_54 wrote: »
    In an ideal world, you'd be disqualfied for stupidity.

    What is stupid about an overtake that is perfectly safe?
  • Joe_Horner
    Joe_Horner Posts: 4,895 Forumite
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    boliston wrote: »
    What is stupid about an overtake that is perfectly safe?

    In the situation given (wanting to overtake someone doing 69mph) assuming you stay within the speed limit - which was hinted at in the post above:


    You have a 1mph differential to play with, which means you'll pass at 44 cm per second. You're obviously starting from a safe 2 second gap - that's 53 metres at 69mph - and you're not going to pull in to the other car's safety space, so that's another 53 metres.

    Add the length of the other car itself (say, an average 4.5m), plus your own car's length (assme the same) gives a total relative distance of 112 metres. At a relative speed of 44 cm per second, that distance is going to take 4 minutes 12 seconds to complete.

    Now, the speeds mean you're on an NSL dual carriageway or motorway, so being in the middle or outer lane for 4 minutes won't be unsafe in itself, but it will be stupid - and wind up an awful lot of following drivers, which could easily become indirectly unsafe.
  • Samsung_Note2
    Samsung_Note2 Posts: 774 Forumite
    Had something similar on a roundabout...left lane you can turn left or go straight ahead,right hand lane right turn...pretty standard stuff.

    Only white van man pulls up in right hand lane (obviously turning right)..im in left hand lane and taking second exit which is straight ahead.

    White van man decides the Highway code doesn't apply to him and goes straight across barging into the exit im taking,thankfully im aware he is there and take action to avoid him,obviously report the bloke as have dash cam and im staggered when the copper asks plain faced "Did you move over and allow him to pass"...seems if i hadn't then id have been guilty of refusing to give way and of then causing an accident.

    Still cant get over that....:mad:
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