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    • Ryse
    • By Ryse 14th Nov 17, 9:30 PM
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    LHA when bills aren't included in the rent
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    LHA when bills aren't included in the rent 14th Nov 17 at 9:30 PM
    Say I am eligible for £60 LHA and the rent is £50, with bills coming to £10. How much LHA would I be entitled to? If LHA covers bills even when it is excluded from the rent, how does the council know how much to give?
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    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 14th Nov 17, 10:04 PM
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    https://england.shelter.org.uk/housing_advice/housing_benefit/what_is_local_housing_allowance_lha
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    • By Ryse 14th Nov 17, 10:18 PM
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    Does not contain the answer.
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    LHA depends on circumstances. Whether you're single, have children, of you work etc. Bills don't come under LHA. To find the rates for you area you'll need to put your postcode into this link.
    https://lha-direct.voa.gov.uk/search.aspx
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    • By Ryse 14th Nov 17, 10:41 PM
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    LHA depends on circumstances. Whether you're single, have children, of you work etc. Bills don't come under LHA. To find the rates for you area you'll need to put your postcode into this link.
    https://lha-direct.voa.gov.uk/search.aspx
    Originally posted by poppy12345
    Yes I know it depends on circumstance, I am not asking about how circumstance influences LHA. Saying bills don't come under LHA is not true, as I know for a fact that if bills are included in the rent LHA covers it. I want to know what happens if bills are separate.
    • Ames
    • By Ames 14th Nov 17, 11:04 PM
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    If bills are seperate then LHA only covers rent. It doesn't give an extra amount for bills.

    If rent is £60 and bills come to £10, you get £60. There are income replacement benefits (JSA/ESA/UC) that are to pay bills.
    Unless I say otherwise 'you' means the general you not you specifically.

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    • Ryse
    • By Ryse 14th Nov 17, 11:11 PM
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    If bills are seperate then LHA only covers rent. It doesn't give an extra amount for bills.

    If rent is £60 and bills come to £10, you get £60. There are income replacement benefits (JSA/ESA/UC) that are to pay bills.
    Originally posted by Ames
    So in that circumstance if the highest amount of LHA is £60, and the rent is £60 and bills are £10, would that mean I would only get £10? That seems a bit unfair, as if the landlord did include bills in the rent then I would be entitled to £70.
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    • By deannatrois 14th Nov 17, 11:22 PM
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    No you wouldn't. When applying for LHA you are asked if service charges, heating and water are included in the rent, what amounts are charged and you would find that the LHA paid would be a reduced amount because 'bills' are included.

    You seem to be looking at this in a slightly skewed way. If your rent is £60 and bills £10, you would get £60 not £10 in LHA. Other benefits are supposed to cover bills, food, travel etc.

    It is taken as a given that the individual applying for LHA is responsible for their bills i.e. heating, water etc.

    It has been like that for decades. I had a flat that came with heating and listed the amount for heating. I had to pay the heating out of my money/benefits, HB (as it was then) just covered the rent portion.

    If your friends are getting heating as well, they have not filled in the forms properly or the LL is not specifying how much of the rent covers heating etc. Perhaps you need to find a similar arrangement and exclude anywhere with a meter or a specified amount for heating?
    Last edited by deannatrois; 14-11-2017 at 11:33 PM.
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    • By Ryse 14th Nov 17, 11:34 PM
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    No you wouldn't. When applying for LHA you are asked if service charges, heating and water are included in the rent, what amounts are charged and you would find that the LHA paid would be a reduced amount because 'bills' are included.

    You seem to be looking at this in a slightly skewed way. If your rent is £60 and bills £10, you would get £60 not £10 in LHA. Other benefits are supposed to cover bills, food, travel etc.

    It is taken as a given that the individual applying for LHA is responsible for their bills i.e. heating, water etc.

    It has been like that for decades. I had a flat that came with heating. I had to pay the heating out of my money/benefits, HB (as it was then) just covered the rent portion.

    If your friends are getting heating as well, they have not filled in the forms properly.
    Originally posted by deannatrois
    I meant to write £60 not £10, mixed them up. Thanks your answer clears things up. All the past threads I've read say that if utility bills are included, there is no deductions to LHA. Have a look at this thread.
    Last edited by Ryse; 14-11-2017 at 11:50 PM.
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    • By Xbigman 15th Nov 17, 1:31 AM
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    The thread you are referencing is from 2010.



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    • Ryse
    • By Ryse 15th Nov 17, 9:56 AM
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    Just checked with 2 councils, bills are not included even if it is included in the rent. Must have been old information in the other thread.
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