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  • glentoran99
    glentoran99 Posts: 5,821
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    unforeseen wrote: »
    The last but one on the list maybes goer. They have an extra person working for half an hour but there may be insufficient work to justify it



    Possibly clutching at straws a little though, Anyway op has dropped it we will never know
  • ScorpiondeRooftrouser
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    edited 15 July 2017 at 4:54PM
    The reason has been given, it wasn't one of those, The company simply cant change the reason on appeal. As I said earlier I have direct experience of it and won, The reasons initially given were not too different from the OP, The change also similar, reducing lunch etc

    Lucky you. Your company chose to allow your appeal.

    The fact that they can cope with one person leaving at 5 doesn't mean they can cope with everybody leaving at 5. If they allow one person to do so while losing nothing (losing half an hour of a lunch break that nobody in a professional environment takes is losing nothing) , everybody will want to. That's enough to disallow it. The fact that somebody allowed it for you doesn't mean they had to, and doesn't mean anyone else has to.
  • sangie595
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    its not, it does not fit with any of these




    the burden of additional costs

    an inability to reorganise work amongst existing staff

    an inability to recruit additional staff

    a detrimental impact on quality

    a detrimental impact on performance

    detrimental effect on ability to meet customer demand

    insufficient work for the periods the employee proposes to work

    a planned structural changes to the business.


    The fact that they are happy for the change in hours negates everyone of those as a reason
    You don't know that. Nobody knows that. The only people who can determine that to be true sit at the top table in employment tribunals. And since the OP isn't going there, that isn't going to happen. Just because it is your opinion, based on absolutely no knowledge at all, that these reasons don't apply, doesn't mean that they don't!

    I'm glad the OP must have another job and doesn't have to contest this. Glad they are pleased with their outcome. But let's not get carried away and imagine things that we don't know for a fact.
  • jobbingmusician
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    I'm not so sure the OP has another job. (She is very good at posting things which can be interpreted in more than one way!) I have concluded that the most likely outcome is that she has re-jigged childcare so that her current arrangement can continue!
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  • sangie595
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    I'm not so sure the OP has another job. (She is very good at posting things which can be interpreted in more than one way!) I have concluded that the most likely outcome is that she has re-jigged childcare so that her current arrangement can continue!
    True, ok. I did make an assumption that it appeared they had another job.
  • Bonniepurple
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    sangie595 wrote: »
    Quite. We are a large organisation but spread over many locations. We MUST be available to members 8.30 - 17.00, Monday to Friday. As with your experience, nigh on every request we get (and we have been operating flexible working requests far longer than the law has!) is to finish early. We therefore have a rota system and everybody must work it. The,"office" must be covered. We have recently been able to establish telecoms systems that work through virtual networks, so the location of the "office" is no longer a complete fixed point. But "someone" will be working from 8.30 - 17.00 answering phones and directing calls. With only three people employed to do that, that means "what people want" isn't an option! So far we have never needed to look at regulating this - we have left them to work it out between themselves. And that has so far worked. If it comes a day when it doesn't, then the apparition of no flexibility will loom. And we're the union!!!!!!

    This. One team I worked in we had to have the office phones covered 8.30-5pm. Each week we sorted a rota out as to who would to earlies and lates. It was usually the same people who volunteered as it suited them - after all, if you're in at 7.30 to beat the traffic, you can answer phones at 8.30! Likewise, if you come in at 10 you need to stay until 6 to get your hours in.
  • glentoran99
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    edited 16 July 2017 at 9:12AM
    Lucky you. Your company chose to allow your appeal.

    The fact that they can cope with one person leaving at 5 doesn't mean they can cope with everybody leaving at 5. If they allow one person to do so while losing nothing (losing half an hour of a lunch break that nobody in a professional environment takes is losing nothing) , everybody will want to. That's enough to disallow it. The fact that somebody allowed it for you doesn't mean they had to, and doesn't mean anyone else has to.



    Totally irrelevant, and not everybody wants to do the same thing, everyones circumstances are different, even if they did each application is looked at individually and the circumstances are the time, "because everyone will want to isn't a valid excuse"


    Someone in my office asked to do the same hours that I changed to, they were refused, the didn't appeal correctly so lost out


    They allowed it for me because they didn't have a valid reason not to
  • Totally irrelevant, and not everybody wants to do the same thing, everyones circumstances are different, even if they did each application is looked at individually and the circumstances are the time, "because everyone will want to isn't a valid excuse"


    Someone in my office asked to do the same hours that I changed to, they were refused, the didn't appeal correctly so lost out


    They allowed it for me because they didn't have a valid reason not to

    Well well done you. I bet you are popular. You are the very antithesis of unionism, aren't you. The best for me and **** everybody else.

    Any company with two ounces of sense would have refused your appeal rather than !!!! off every other worker they have.
  • FBaby
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    The reason has been given, it wasn't one of those, The company simply cant change the reason on appeal.

    The reference to policy is not to consider whether their reason for refusing is acceptable or not, it was asking about the policy for lunch breaks. If there is a policy that states clearly that lunch breaks have to be one hour, then that's the policy and there needs not be any reason to justify why this policy should be changed for a particular person because their offer of flexibility is not what the OP wants.
  • glentoran99
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    Well well done you. I bet you are popular. You are the very antithesis of unionism, aren't you. The best for me and **** everybody else.

    Any company with two ounces of sense would have refused your appeal rather than !!!! off every other worker they have.



    Imagine that, Putting myself and my family first!!
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