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    • gfplux
    • By gfplux 20th Apr 17, 5:24 PM
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    Britons might need a visa to visit the USA
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    • 20th Apr 17, 5:24 PM
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    Britons might need a visa to visit the USA 20th Apr 17 at 5:24 PM
    The Trump administration is considering making changes to the US visa-waiver system that could make it much harder for Europeans travelling to America.
    Secretary of Homeland Security John Kelly said the existing rules, which do not require Britons to obtain a visa, should be reviewed amid heightened concerns about terrorism.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/us-visa-waiver-ends-european-travel-donald-trump-john-kelly-homeland-security-a7692861.html
    I voted to remain. Brexiteers spent much of the last 40 years campaigning for Britain to leave the EU. Forgive me if I feel entitled to continue to say it will prove a bad move for Britain.
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    • scumsthorne
    • By scumsthorne 20th Apr 17, 5:44 PM
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    • 20th Apr 17, 5:44 PM
    Old news

    See

    http://documents.latimes.com/protecting-nation-foreign-terrorist-entry-united-states/

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5593491

    see also

    http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/20170227IPR64156/parliament-asks-eu-commission-to-press-for-full-us-eu-visa-reciprocity

    as that could have a bearing too.
    • gettingtheresometime
    • By gettingtheresometime 20th Apr 17, 7:33 PM
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    Thank goodness the US isn't the only country in the world.
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    • alanrowell
    • By alanrowell 20th Apr 17, 7:35 PM
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    None of those links have anything to do with the suggestion of amending the VWP by the USA.

    The Executive Order has nothing to do with the VWP
    The Visa Interview Waiver has nothing to do with the VWP
    The EU wants all EU countries to have access to the VWP not just some of them

    This is the current head of the TSA wondering if the VWP should be altered, in extremis it could mean everyone having to get a visa to travel to the USA.
    • leylandsunaddict
    • By leylandsunaddict 20th Apr 17, 7:41 PM
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    The reports in January were about the Visa Waiver Interview Programme, which has nothing to do with the Visa Waiver programme (Esta). Todays report in the Independent is about the actual VWP (Esta) so not old news.
    • martinthebandit
    • By martinthebandit 20th Apr 17, 7:43 PM
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    Thank goodness the US isn't the only country in the world.
    Originally posted by gettingtheresometime
    This ^ there are lots of other countries and more than a few of them are far more welcoming than the US.
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    • scumsthorne
    • By scumsthorne 20th Apr 17, 7:56 PM
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    None of those links have anything to do with the suggestion of amending the VWP by the USA.

    The Executive Order has nothing to do with the VWP.
    Originally posted by alanrowell
    Sec 9 does.

    "Sec​. ​9​. ​Visa Validity Reciprocity ​. The Secretary of
    State shall review all nonimmigrant visa reciprocity
    agreements to ensure that they are, with respect to each visa
    classification, truly reciprocal insofar as practicable with
    respect to validity period and fees, as required by sections
    221(c) and 281 of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1201(c) and 1351, and
    other treatment. If a country does not treat United States
    nationals seeking nonimmigrant visas in a reciprocal manner,
    the Secretary of State shall adjust the visa validity period,
    fee schedule, or other treatment to match the treatment of
    United States nationals by the foreign country, to the extent
    practicable."

    The Visa Interview Waiver has nothing to do with the VWP
    Originally posted by alanrowell
    I agree

    The EU wants all EU countries to have access to the VWP not just some of them
    Originally posted by alanrowell
    And the US want reciprocal agreements regarding visa free travel.

    This is the current head of the TSA wondering if the VWP should be altered, in extremis it could mean everyone having to get a visa to travel to the USA.
    Originally posted by alanrowell
    And Trump stated this back in 2016!
    • stoneman
    • By stoneman 21st Apr 17, 2:43 AM
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    This ^ there are lots of other countries and more than a few of them are far more welcoming than the US.
    Originally posted by martinthebandit
    You are having a laugh right. Most countries hate us. The Spanish Costas for a start. They are so fed up of the typical British lager lout that we all get tarred with the same brush.
    On the other hand the Americans love our accents, music, and quirkiness. Fortunately the louts haven't made it out there to spoil it.
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    • stoneman
    • By stoneman 21st Apr 17, 2:46 AM
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    Trump will exempt Britain from any visa requirements. His mother was British and he has businesses in Scotland. He genuinely likes us. Unlike his snowflake predecessor
    The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better.
    • peachyprice
    • By peachyprice 21st Apr 17, 7:37 AM
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    I have a sneaky suspicion the UK will not be included, it's a tit-for-tat move because the EU voted to stop visa-free travel for Americans.
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    • Ganga
    • By Ganga 21st Apr 17, 8:42 AM
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    I have a sneaky suspicion the UK will not be included, it's a tit-for-tat move because the EU voted to stop visa-free travel for Americans.
    Originally posted by peachyprice
    But we will not be part of the EU in the future.
    ITS NOT EASY TO GET EVERYTHING WRONG ,I HAVE TO WORK HARD TO DO IT!
    • PasturesNew
    • By PasturesNew 21st Apr 17, 8:48 AM
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    If you were travelling there though - you might feel "comforted" that those around you have had to apply for a visa and aren't a random nutter with evil intent.

    It doesn't affect everybody/many people .... I'm sure the number of people who would be adversely affected by any visa would be tiny. It's not as if everybody goes there 1-2x a year every year and it'd be hard and make life difficult!
    • PeacefulWaters
    • By PeacefulWaters 21st Apr 17, 9:03 AM
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    But we will not be part of the EU in the future.
    Originally posted by Ganga
    Yes. I think that's why we may be excluded from the process.
    • gettingtheresometime
    • By gettingtheresometime 21st Apr 17, 10:35 AM
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    Well for me if I want to visit a country getting a visa is just part of the pita process of travelling.


    However, what I find unwelcoming, is the grilling I've always got at customs when visiting the US...in fact I wonder every time why people bother.
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    • Voyager2002
    • By Voyager2002 21st Apr 17, 10:38 AM
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    Big deal... I had to get a visa when I first went there, and the visa remains valid for the rest of my life. Visas are needed for many (most?) of the really interesting places in the world. The trip to London and the visa interview is part of the holiday, and helps make sure that only motivated people get to visit and so keeps out the riff-raff.
    • peachyprice
    • By peachyprice 21st Apr 17, 11:04 AM
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    But we will not be part of the EU in the future.
    Originally posted by Ganga
    Err, exactly!
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    • EssexExile
    • By EssexExile 21st Apr 17, 11:46 AM
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    However, what I find unwelcoming, is the grilling I've always got at customs when visiting the US...in fact I wonder every time why people bother.
    Originally posted by gettingtheresometime
    I've never been grilled by customs in the US. Or immigration. A few polite questions, a bit of idle chit-chat & we're on our way.
    Tall, dark & handsome. Well two out of three ain't bad.
    • Voyager2002
    • By Voyager2002 21st Apr 17, 12:43 PM
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    However, what I find unwelcoming, is the grilling I've always got at customs when visiting the US...in fact I wonder every time why people bother.
    Originally posted by gettingtheresometime
    Indeed. The questioning I faced when I arrived there the first time was longer and more aggressive than almost anywhere else: ranks with being deported from Sudan as one of my most infuriating travel experiences. Part of the problem was that the immigration officer could not grasp that I was there for work but was being paid by a British employer (and yes, I did have a business visa...).

    Cuba is so much easier in so many ways...
    • benjus
    • By benjus 21st Apr 17, 12:51 PM
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    You are having a laugh right. Most countries hate us. The Spanish Costas for a start. They are so fed up of the typical British lager lout that we all get tarred with the same brush.
    On the other hand the Americans love our accents, music, and quirkiness. Fortunately the louts haven't made it out there to spoil it.
    Originally posted by stoneman
    While I've found Americans in general to be very welcoming and friendly, the process of actually getting into the US is about as unfriendly as it gets in a developed democratic country.

    I've never felt unwelcome in Spain either... whether on the Costas or in the cities. Even in Argentina after several visits the only person I came across who expressed dislike of the British was one taxi driver.

    So in summary there are loads of places where British people will feel welcome as long as they conduct themselves respectfully, and most of those don't make getting into the country such a pain.
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    • PeacefulWaters
    • By PeacefulWaters 21st Apr 17, 1:11 PM
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    I've never been grilled by customs in the US. Or immigration. A few polite questions, a bit of idle chit-chat & we're on our way.
    Originally posted by EssexExile
    Idle chit chat? While I was in that huge queue? Tut!
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