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    • Campden
    • By Campden 21st Apr 17, 9:35 AM
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    Tracking Royal Mail 2nd class
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    • 21st Apr 17, 9:35 AM
    Tracking Royal Mail 2nd class 21st Apr 17 at 9:35 AM
    A 2nd class small parcel sent with RM has not arrived.
    The tracking says it was delivered on the 18th, the recipient says it wasn't and has opened a case.

    Royal Mail phone help says
    there is no tracking on second class parcels
    I cannot dispute the tracking because it does not happen
    the reference number is in the wrong format for RM tracking
    the RM website page I am looking at must be wrong.



    Because they don't have tracking and don't keep records they cannot help, nor could the delivery office. I must wait 15 days and then claim compensation.

    I don't want compensation, I should prefer the parcel to be found and delivered, but I believe that the further we get from the delivery date, the less likely anyone is to remember what happened.

    Can anyone suggest how I can dispute or query the alleged delivery?
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    • martindow
    • By martindow 21st Apr 17, 10:39 AM
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    • 21st Apr 17, 10:39 AM
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    • 21st Apr 17, 10:39 AM
    How can RM say they have no tracking if you can see it as delivered?

    It could well be with a neighbour - have you asked the recipient to check. Neighbours can often be weird, holding onto parcels and not telling the recipient they have it.
    • jon81uk
    • By jon81uk 21st Apr 17, 10:56 AM
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    • 21st Apr 17, 10:56 AM
    Did you pay for signed for service? If not I don't think Royal Mail class regular post as a tracked service?
    • ballisticbrian
    • By ballisticbrian 21st Apr 17, 11:01 AM
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    • 21st Apr 17, 11:01 AM
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    • 21st Apr 17, 11:01 AM
    What happens when you go into the case and update the tracking by putting in the number?
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    • molerat
    • By molerat 21st Apr 17, 11:17 AM
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    • 21st Apr 17, 11:17 AM
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    • 21st Apr 17, 11:17 AM
    Is this the new system where all parcels handed over the counter get bar coded and show delivery but no tracking through the system ? The track and trace page now asks to input a 9-27 character number instead of the old ending in GB quote.

    If you have proof of postage with that number on then you are protected from a Paypal claim.
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    • mrcol1000
    • By mrcol1000 21st Apr 17, 11:48 AM
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    • 21st Apr 17, 11:48 AM
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    • 21st Apr 17, 11:48 AM
    If online tracking shows this as delivered then you are protected from any claims (assuming it was for a sold item). Small parcels now come with delivery confirmation (not tracking). You can see when its been delivered but you can't see where it is before that.

    Really RM customer service staff should have explained the difference between delivery confirmation and tracking.

    I worry if you claim for a lost parcel then they may refuse it based on they have delivery confirmation.
    • custardy
    • By custardy 21st Apr 17, 12:04 PM
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    • 21st Apr 17, 12:04 PM
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    • 21st Apr 17, 12:04 PM
    A 2nd class small parcel sent with RM has not arrived.
    The tracking says it was delivered on the 18th, the recipient says it wasn't and has opened a case.

    Royal Mail phone help says
    there is no tracking on second class parcels
    I cannot dispute the tracking because it does not happen
    the reference number is in the wrong format for RM tracking
    the RM website page I am looking at must be wrong.



    Because they don't have tracking and don't keep records they cannot help, nor could the delivery office. I must wait 15 days and then claim compensation.

    I don't want compensation, I should prefer the parcel to be found and delivered, but I believe that the further we get from the delivery date, the less likely anyone is to remember what happened.

    Can anyone suggest how I can dispute or query the alleged delivery?
    Originally posted by Campden
    If its scanned as delivered on a 2D then I expect is is delivered (at least somewhere)
    • theonlywayisup
    • By theonlywayisup 21st Apr 17, 4:54 PM
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    • 21st Apr 17, 4:54 PM
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    • 21st Apr 17, 4:54 PM
    A 2nd class small parcel sent with RM has not arrived.
    The tracking says it was delivered on the 18th, the recipient says it wasn't and has opened a case.

    Royal Mail phone help says
    there is no tracking on second class parcels
    I cannot dispute the tracking because it does not happen
    the reference number is in the wrong format for RM tracking
    the RM website page I am looking at must be wrong.



    Because they don't have tracking and don't keep records they cannot help, nor could the delivery office. I must wait 15 days and then claim compensation.

    I don't want compensation, I should prefer the parcel to be found and delivered, but I believe that the further we get from the delivery date, the less likely anyone is to remember what happened.

    Can anyone suggest how I can dispute or query the alleged delivery?
    Originally posted by Campden
    You do NOT need TRACKING for eBay or Paypal cases. You need PROOF OF DELIVERY.

    The new QR codes on parcels give POD.

    Add the QR code number (you call it tracking) to the case.
    • Campden
    • By Campden 21st Apr 17, 10:12 PM
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    • 21st Apr 17, 10:12 PM
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    • 21st Apr 17, 10:12 PM
    I have added the tracking to the case.
    I do believe the buyer and will refund, if he ever confirms his address.
    I will not be claiming compensation, it's far too fiddly for a refund of the postage only.

    But I am shocked that a customer service person on the Royal Mail's help line knows less about the system than contributors here.
    Or perhaps I would have got a different result if I had used the phrase delivery confirmation instead of tracking.
    I can always ring again tomorrow and see if that helps.

    Thanks to all for your suggestions.
    • soolin
    • By soolin 21st Apr 17, 10:35 PM
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    I have added the tracking to the case.
    I do believe the buyer and will refund, if he ever confirms his address.
    I will not be claiming compensation, it's far too fiddly for a refund of the postage only.

    But I am shocked that a customer service person on the Royal Mail's help line knows less about the system than contributors here.
    Or perhaps I would have got a different result if I had used the phrase delivery confirmation instead of tracking.
    I can always ring again tomorrow and see if that helps.

    Thanks to all for your suggestions.
    Originally posted by Campden
    I don't quite follow you, what have RM said that is wrong? The new system for standard parcels is NOT tracked , it merely has confirmation of delivery. What other result do you want?

    As item shows as delivered you wouldn't be able to claim compensation anyway. If item didn't show as delivered then using proof of postage you would have been able to claim the item cost plus postage.
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    • fuzzgun19
    • By fuzzgun19 18th Jul 17, 8:17 PM
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    You do NOT need TRACKING for eBay or Paypal cases. You need PROOF OF DELIVERY.

    The new QR codes on parcels give POD.

    Add the QR code number (you call it tracking) to the case.
    Originally posted by theonlywayisup
    What is a POD?

    I sent a dvd 1st class standard, but printed through ebay and it had one of these QR codes on the label.
    The buyer is saying it's not been delivered.
    Is there any way to track these?
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    • soolin
    • By soolin 18th Jul 17, 8:28 PM
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    What is a POD?

    I sent a dvd 1st class standard, but printed through ebay and it had one of these QR codes on the label.
    The buyer is saying it's not been delivered.
    Is there any way to track these?
    Originally posted by fuzzgun19
    Standard post is not fracked and for delivery confirmation It depends whether it was sent as a large letter or a parcel. A large letter does not show a delivery status, a parcel does.
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    • theonlywayisup
    • By theonlywayisup 18th Jul 17, 8:53 PM
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    What is a POD?

    I sent a dvd 1st class standard, but printed through ebay and it had one of these QR codes on the label.
    The buyer is saying it's not been delivered.
    Is there any way to track these?
    Originally posted by fuzzgun19
    POD = proof of delivery. That is all you need for items less than £750 on eBay.

    Does your barcode have a POD?
    • fuzzgun19
    • By fuzzgun19 18th Jul 17, 8:56 PM
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    POD = proof of delivery. That is all you need for items less than £750 on eBay.

    Does your barcode have a POD?
    Originally posted by theonlywayisup
    I don't know, it was a large letter. When I click on the order details, then tracking, there is a tracking 'number', but it hasn't moved to the delivered part. It was posted a week ago.
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    • theonlywayisup
    • By theonlywayisup 18th Jul 17, 9:00 PM
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    Large Letters are not routinely scanned for POD. You can try Live Chat for RM who may be able to help. If they can, take a screenshot and send it to your buyer.
    • ontheup1972
    • By ontheup1972 19th Jul 17, 7:58 PM
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    Large Letters are not routinely scanned for POD. .
    Originally posted by theonlywayisup
    As many LLs are scanned as parcels, and this has been the case for over a year.
    • hollydays
    • By hollydays 19th Jul 17, 8:02 PM
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    I recently won a case when my buyer claimed item not received. I didn't know about the Royal Mail scanning on standard parcels and ebay told me about it I later appealed and got my money back.
    Is it a fairly new thing?
    • ontheup1972
    • By ontheup1972 19th Jul 17, 8:03 PM
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    A large letter does not show a delivery status, a parcel does.
    Originally posted by soolin
    All my LLs are showing a delivery status, I've been able to access this information for over a month. I can also see in my DMO archive delivery status on LLs going all the way back to May 2016. It's annoying how many people I refunded for INR over the last year where I can now see the order showing as delivered.

    At the moment most people can't see delivery confirmation as you say - I must be part of a trial or something. Or maybe they're rolling it out to everyone in stages, like they did with the parcels.
    • soolin
    • By soolin 19th Jul 17, 8:33 PM
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    I definitely have no delivery details currently showing in my LLs , which is a shame as the majority of my items are LL.
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    • fuzzgun19
    • By fuzzgun19 19th Jul 17, 8:36 PM
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    I contacted ebay over chat on two occasions today, only to be told to sort it out with the buyer.
    No other help at all.

    Had to refund.
    I Hate Jobsworths!!!
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