union sold us out?

moneydon_2 · 6 May 2015 at 7:16PM

As a company is planning cutbacks it often discusses the changes with union representitives before any changes are announced or disvussed with colleagues. There is a rumour within my company that union reps have been "appeased" by negotiating a 1.5 percent/year redundancy package before any cinsultations take place.....to keep the union at bay so to speak.
is this fair?

Andy_L · 7 May 2015 at 9:36AM

I see nothing wrong with a company offering an enhanced redundancy package as its opening move in a redundancy situation

asajj · 7 May 2015 at 9:50AM

Do you mean an amount above the statutory pay?

Linton · 7 May 2015 at 9:51AM

Surely the union's role is to get the best deal for its members that it can. Generally speaking whether redundancies take place isnt open for negotiation - it's the direct result of financial circumstances. So the main area of focus is to ensure that it is as painless as possible. Again generally speaking, this is also in the company's interest as it minimises the unhappiness of the staff who remain.

moneydon_2 · 7 May 2015 at 10:09AM

Andy_L wrote: »

I see nothing wrong with a company offering an enhanced redundancy package as its opening move in a redundancy situation

True but this has been arranged prior to any 1 2 1consultations

moneydon_2 · 7 May 2015 at 10:11AM

asajj wrote: »

Do you mean an amount above the statutory pay?

Yes....that is the rumour

moneydon_2 · 7 May 2015 at 10:14AM

Linton wrote: »

Surely the union's role is to get the best deal for its members that it can. Generally speaking whether redundancies take place isnt open for negotiation - it's the direct result of financial circumstances. So the main area of focus is to ensure that it is as painless as possible. Again generally speaking, this is also in the company's interest as it minimises the unhappiness of the staff who remain.

Yes it's all good and well knowing the union is pro workers but the issue is the agreement been reached prior to any individual consultations

Marktheshark · 7 May 2015 at 10:20AM

Call a meeting, demand they attend or a vote of no confidence will be held instead and election for a new representative if it goes against them.
That will soon get the rep's attention, you only need a 3/4 majority to deselect the rep.

corf999 · 7 May 2015 at 10:26AM

The company could just ignore the unions and offer statutory.

No agreement has been reached, that is not for the unions to decide - the unions may have just encouraged the business to offer more.

asajj · 7 May 2015 at 11:28AM

As far as I know 1:2:1 individual consultation only starts after collective consultation finishes in which redundancy packages are decided. So not sure why you keep pointing about individual consultation?

During your individual consultation you may tell them you aren't happy but also don't forget union can object but company doesn't have to necessarily accept their objection. I've seen examples where management reduced redundancy offer after Union dragged the conversation for weeks.

stevemLS · 13 May 2015 at 10:13AM

How can they do 1:1 consultations without knowing what package is on offer?

union sold us out?

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