Pip assessment
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A_Flock_Of_Sheep wrote: »One of the questions frequentl asked at the assessment is "have you been on holiday in the last two or three years". If you say "yes" they will then ask where.
You will then find remarks in the reports such as "was able to sit for 2 hours on a plane, in a car, on a train" was able to plan a holiday and as such can manage household bills and plan a journey.
God forbid if you tell them you drive as this is the carp that then comes out where you score 0 points and then have the cheek to appeal.
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If you think they are there to take a sensible approach to how disabled people live their lives in reality you are wrong. If you apply for PIP always keep it in mind that to get it you can do no more than breathe and hold a square of toilet tissue. Even then if you retrieve a hanky from your pocket in the assessment they note that and say you can wash unaided.
No I appreciate that, but telling people to outright state the worst and that they don't travel isn't the best advice to give.0 -
How on earth can you say that. This is my first time being involved with PIP. I am being transferred over to PIP from DLA.poppy12345 wrote: »I'm surprised you didn't know this as you "claim" to know so much about PIP and assessments.
Now if you were to ask what do I know about DLA, that is another matter. I have had more s**t thrown at me than most would see in a lifetime by the DWP on that particular subject.
No I did not know that I could change the venue and no I did not know that I can ask for a home assessment. Those things never really cropped up with DLA.
And I still don't know why he put in the assessment box that I want an assessment at the centre. All he said was that I will require a face to face assessment at one of the centres - what help will you require when you arrive?. My answer was "I don't know, it depends on the day and how I am when I get there".
As a matter of interest I have just ploughed through the ATOS - PIP website and nowhere does it say that I have the option/right of a home visit or that I can change the venue to suit me. It does mention that if a home visit is required it will be offered in line with DWP protocol.
Home consultations will take place:
at the claimant’s request, if supported by an appropriate health condition or disability, as determined by the assessor, or
when the claimant provides confirmation through their health professional that the claimant is unable to travel on health grounds, or
at the assessment provider’s discretion for a business reason.0 -
No I appreciate that, but telling people to outright state the worst and that they don't travel isn't the best advice to give.
I have not told people to do that????
All I have done is attempted to illustrate how perfectly reasonable, normal everyday things are twisted in order to discredit a claimant.
It is supposed to be paid to people whether in or out of work or in education and training and I have seen reports contrived by the healthcare "professionals" using work and education as a weapon to discredit a claim.
"You attend college therefore have no trouble reading" - but they fail to ask if they actually have any assistance and even if a claimant says so the still fail to report it and assume they are making it up.
I have read some reports and from reading them you would assume PIP is targetted at those in permanent vegetative state, bedridden and being fed via an IV drip.
Fortunatley, tribunals seem to see it differently.0 -
A_Flock_Of_Sheep wrote: »I have not told people to do that????
All I have done is attempted to illustrate how perfectly reasonable, normal everyday things are twisted in order to discredit a claimant.
It is supposed to be paid to people whether in or out of work or in education and training and I have seen reports contrived by the healthcare "professionals" using work and education as a weapon to discredit a claim.
"You attend college therefore have no trouble reading" - but they fail to ask if they actually have any assistance and even if a claimant says so the still fail to report it and assume they are making it up.
I have read some reports and from reading them you would assume PIP is targetted at those in permanent vegetative state, bedridden and being fed via an IV drip.
Fortunatley, tribunals seem to see it differently.
I didn't say you had.
My initial response was to a different poster and my response to you was explaining my post following your post about it.0 -
I didn't say you had.
My initial response was to a different poster and my response to you was explaining my post following your post about it.
I see.
Of course if a claimant lies for example and denies they drive when they do then that of course is fraud. I am not sure what it is called if the assessor puts down something that isn't true - which lots of people are saying is going on. Is that fraud too?0 -
A_Flock_Of_Sheep wrote: »I see.
Of course if a claimant lies for example and denies they drive when they do then that of course is fraud. I am not sure what it is called if the assessor puts down something that isn't true - which lots of people are saying is going on. Is that fraud too?
The results of one assessment I had in the distant past which was carried out by a doctor suggested that there was nothing wrong with me physically or mentally that could only be explained away by my imagination!
The DWP agreed, yet the Tribunal at the time didn't especially when I presented the court with evidence from many eminent medics who specialised in my conditions. And suffice it to say that following the favourable decision I wrote a letter to the DWP asking for their comments and that maybe an apology was called for - never did get any reply. However some months later after finding my DLA award was not being paid I received a letter telling me that I was to have a visit from one of their officers to establish the validity of my DLA claim. It was a nurse that called on behalf of the DWP. She went through my medical and mental health problems, had a look at my repeat prescription and asked a few questions about the difficulties I had. When she had finished I asked the obvious question as to why have you called on me. All she would say was that it was a referral from the DLA unit and she didn't know anymore than that. I never heard anything further for another year.0 -
A_Flock_Of_Sheep wrote: »I see.
Of course if a claimant lies for example and denies they drive when they do then that of course is fraud. I am not sure what it is called if the assessor puts down something that isn't true - which lots of people are saying is going on. Is that fraud too?
Potentially it is, but not in the actual legal meaning.
It's gross misconduct in my opinion though.0 -
Potentially it is, but not in the actual legal meaning.
It's gross misconduct in my opinion though.
It is neither
The assessors report is nothing more than their opinion based on what they heard and saw.
You could well have twelve assessors give an opinion of one person and all will be different.
You certainly could not say that the assessor is guilty of gross misconduct, at worst they may require more training.0 -
But we aren't as such talking about opinions like 'they appeared tired' or 'coped well with the interview'... but facts. If in extreme case for example a HCP states in report that the claimant attended the assessment alone yet in reality sat next to their husband throughout... that can only really be interpreted as either an error in fact recording (such as in my report my wife's name was wrongly given.. it is definitely incorrect but the likelihood due to false assumption or oversight rather than deliberate intent) or a deliberately manufactured falsity. Also in my assessment was admitted (at the start under pressure) the anticipated fact that procedure had not been correctly followed in reading the evidence provided before seeing me (the excuse was there was a lot of it!). It is possible that some false facts are deliberately recorded in order to financially gain.. that would sound like fraud to me. But gross misconduct I would imagine could take many forms.. probably something more serious than failing to follow due process.rockingbilly wrote: »It is neither
The assessors report is nothing more than their opinion based on what they heard and saw.
You could well have twelve assessors give an opinion of one person and all will be different.
You certainly could not say that the assessor is guilty of gross misconduct, at worst they may require more training."Do not attribute to conspiracy what can adequately be explained by incompetence" - rogerblack0 -
That is par for the course I'm afraid.Muttleythefrog wrote: »Also in my assessment was admitted (at the start under pressure) the anticipated fact that procedure had not been correctly followed in reading the evidence provided before seeing me (the excuse was there was a lot of it!).
I have never had an assessment for DLA or ESA where the actual claim form had been studied beforehand. There were quite a few where it did not appear on the file. Evidence? It is extremely rare for the assessor to have the time or inclination to read any of it even if it is in the file.
The explanation you were given is normal. You have just got to accept that the assessor is about as in the dark about you as you are of them. Hence the reason for the assessment.0
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