vanquis/lowell financial ltd/fredrickson

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  • thanks will do or try to find up todate bits to replace it as for going online and tring to set up payments is that not excepting that i owe them the full amount even though they offered me some sime back 70% off if i payed them in 10 days
  • i have found the new fca guide lines and it looks like they may have change the £1 fee to 0 but i find it hard work reading it any one else tryed as they have only bean out a short time
  • hi every one i have found a better letter template what do you think i will make few small changes to it but i think it is a good plce to start
    Date:

    I DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE ANY DEBT TO YOUR COMPANY IN ANY FORM

    F.A.O: [Name of person on letter/s contacting you]

    Dear Sir/Madam

    Account/Ref No:

    With reference to the above agreement, I/we would be grateful if you would send me/us a copy of this credit agreement and a full breakdown of the account including any interest or charges applied.

    I/we understand that under the Consumer Credit Act 1974 [sections 77-79], I am/we are entitled to receive a copy of any credit agreement and a statement of account on request.

    I/we enclose a payment of £1 which represents the fee payable under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. Please note, this money is not to be used for any purpose except as the required administration fee for the above request.

    I/we understand a copy of any credit agreement along with a statement of account should be supplied within 12 working days.

    I/we understand that under the Consumer Credit Act 1974 creditors are unable to enforce an agreement if they fail to comply with the request for a copy of the agreement and statement of account under these sections of the Act. Please be aware that until you provide a copy of the credit agreement the following applies.

    * You may not demand any payment on the account, nor am I obliged to offer any payment to you.
    * You may not add further interest or any charges to the account.
    * You may not pass the account to a third party.
    * You may not register any information in respect of the account with any credit reference agency.
    * You may not issue a default notice related to the account.
    * You may not issue a court summons.

    I/we look forward to hearing from you.

    Yours faithfully/By: Etc.
  • i have found the relevent part in the new guidance i just have to try and understand it and put it in one of the templates


    FCA CONC 13 Consumer Credit Act Guidance . from April 2014
    13 Guidance on the duty to give information under sections 77, 78 and 79 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974

    13.1 Application

    13.1.1 G

    This chapter:
    (1) applies to a firm with respect to consumer credit lending and a firm with respect to consumer hiring;
    (2) does not apply to the obligation in or under section 78(4), (4A) or (5) of the CCA on a lender to give regular statements where running- account credit is provided under a regulated credit agreement.



    13.1.2 G

    (1) The FCA takes the view that sections 77, 78 and 79 of the CCA should be read in a way that allows the borrower or hirer to obtain the information needed in order to be properly informed without imposing unnecessary burden on firms.

    (2) The statement referred to in the relevant section must be prepared according to the information to which it is ‘practicable’ for the firm to refer. In the FCA’s view, this means practicable at the time of the request and includes information which can reasonably be obtained from third parties.

    (3) Firms should take steps to ensure that information is preserved and kept available to be used to give information to a borrower or hirer.


    The request and the duty to give information

    13.1.3 G

    (1) A request must be from or on behalf of the borrower under sections 77 and 78 or from or on behalf of a hirer under section 79. This would include a friend or relative, a solicitor, a claims management company or other third party. Under the Data Protection Act 1998 and the Data Protection Principles, the lender or owner is not allowed to reveal such information to a third party without the authority of the borrower or hirer. It should therefore satisfy itself that the person making the request has proper authority to obtain the information. If a copy of such authority is not enclosed with the request, the lender or owner is entitled to reply by asking to see the authority.

    (2) Where there are two or more borrowers or hirers and the request comes from one only, it must be nevertheless complied with, and the response must be given to both (or all) borrowers or hirers.

    (3) If the recipient considers that another person is the lender or owner, the recipient should either inform the applicant of who it considers is the correct recipient or pass the request on to that person.

    (4) In accordance with the sections referred to in (1) the firm must ‘give’ a copy of the executed agreement and any other document referred to in it and the required statement. In the FCA’s view, sending a copy of them by ordinary second class post will suffice. Guidance on what constitutes a copy is given below and found in the case of Carey v HSBC Bank plc [2009] EWHC 3417 (QB).

    (5) The duty under the relevant section does not apply if no sum is, or will or may become, payable by the borrower or hirer under the agreement. This is irrespective of whether the agreement may have been terminated.

    The copy agreement

    13.1.4 G

    (1) The copy of the executed agreement should be a ‘true copy’ of the original. However, as confirmed in the case of Carey v HSBC Bank plc [2009] EWHC 3417 (QB), in this context the term 'true copy' does not necessarily mean a carbon, photocopy, microfiche copy or other exact copy of the signed agreement. There is no obligation to provide a copy which includes a copy of the signature.

    (2) The firm can reconstitute a copy. It can do this by re-populating a template of the relevant agreement form with the details of the specific agreement taken from its records. If the firm does provide a reconstituted copy, it should explain that that is what it has done, to avoid misleading the customer that this is a contemporaneous copy.

    (3) The terms and conditions should be those applicable at the time the agreement was executed. The name and address at the time of execution must be included.

    (4) The reconstituted agreement should contain a heading prescribed by the CCA and any relevant cancellation notice.

    (5) If the reason why no copy is given in response to a request under these sections is that there never was an executed agreement, the firm should acknowledge this in its response.

    (6) If the agreement has been varied, the duty is to provide not only a copy of the agreement as originally executed but also either:
    (a) a copy of the latest variation given in accordance with section 82(1) of the CCA relating to each discrete term of the agreement which has been varied; or,
    (b) a clear statement of the terms of the agreement as varied.

    (7) Further, section 180(1)(b) of the CCA and regulation 3(2) of the Consumer Credit (Cancellation Notices and Copies of Documents) Regulations 1983 expressly allow certain matters to be omitted from the copy. There may be excluded from the copy of the executed agreement to be provided under these sections:
    (a) any information relating to the borrower, hirer or surety, or information included for the use of the lender or owner only, which is not required to be included by the or any regulations made under the CCA as to the form and content of the agreement;
    (b) any signature box, signature or date of signature;
    (c) in the case of pawn agreements, any description of the article taken in pawn.



    The statement of account

    13.1.5 G

    If the firm possesses insufficient information to enable it to ascertain the amount and date of any sum which is to become payable, it is sufficient to indicate the basis on which they would fall to be ascertained.



    Failure to comply

    13.1.6 G

    (1) Failure to comply with the provisions means that the agreement becomes unenforceable while the failure to comply persists, and the courts have no discretion to allow enforcement.

    (2) In such cases, a firm should in no way, either by act or omission, mislead a customer as to the enforceability of the agreement.

    (3) In particular, a firm should not in such cases either threaten court action or other enforcement of the debt or imply that the debt is enforceable when it is not.

    (4) The firm should, in any communication or request for payment in such cases, make clear to the customer that although the debt remains outstanding it is unenforceable.

    (5) In the judgment of McGuffick –v- The Royal Bank of Scotland plc [2009] EWHC 2386 (Comm) Flaux J held in a case under section 77 of the CCA that passing details of a debt to a credit reference agency and related activities do not constitute enforcement under the CCA. He also held that steps taken with a view to enforcement, including demanding payment from a claimant, issuing a default notice, threatening legal action and the actual bringing of proceedings, are not themselves 'enforcement' under the CCA. On the other hand he confirmed that the actions listed under sections 76(1) and 87(1) of the CCA did amount to enforcement notwithstanding that some of the actions 'less obviously' amounted to enforcement. These actions are demanding earlier payment, recovering possession of goods or land, treating any right conferred on the debtor by the agreement as terminated, restricted or deferred, enforcing any security and terminating the agreement.

    (6) While Flaux J agreed with the decision of HHJ Simon Brown QC (sitting as a Deputy High Court Judge) in Tesco Personal Finance v Rankine [2009] C.C.L.R. 3 that commencing proceedings was not enforcement, but a step taken with a view to enforcement, both he and HHJ Simon Brown appear to have been drawing a distinction between commencing proceedings and entering judgment in those proceedings.

    (7) This guidance deals only with the question of whether an agreement is unenforceable in relation to sections 77, 78 and 79 of the CCA. A lender's rights to enforce an agreement may be restricted for a variety of reasons, by the Act, by or under the CCA and by virtue of the general law.

    (8) However, where a firm is aware that an agreement is unenforceable because of non-compliance with an information request under section 77, 78 or 79 of the CCA, a firm should make it clear when communicating to a customer about a debt that the debt is in fact unenforceable. Failure to do so, in that case, would in the FCA’s view unfairly mislead the customer by omission. Any communication that implies expressly or otherwise that a debt is enforceable when it is known that it is not, would be misleading. One way to avoid this would be for the firm to explain to the customer the full meaning of 'unenforceable'.
    Last edited by Amethyst; 7th March 2014 at 19:37:PM.
  • You are over thinking this :)

    All you need to send is something like this:
    [FONT=Calibri, sans-serif]
    "I hereby formally request a copy of my Consumer Credit Agreement, pursuant to s.77-79 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 (CCA1974). I look forward to receiving the relevant documents[/FONT] within the allowed time frame"


    They will be aware of the failure to comply and what to send, as they get these all the time.

    I doubt they would even read to the end of any long letter you sent.

    If they fail to produce anything, then that's the time to get that kind of letter out.

    HB
    :beer:
  • hi i am goin to send a cca and a cpr as he as sent a letter of claim with this acomping letter what do you think



    [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Dear sir/madam[/FONT]


    [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]thank you for your letter regarding your intent to commence legal action in regards of, Lowell Financial Limited regarding my Vanquis Account.[/FONT]


    [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]I line with PRACTICE DIRECTION – PRE-ACTION CONDUCT[/FONT] that can be found at
    . I enclose a copy of my CPR request.


    As a person/persons employed in the legal profession. I know you will be aware of the impact of failing to comply, or give adequate reasons why it is not possible to comply, the ramification of that action and all its effects can have negative impacts not only in this case but of your practice as a hole. I refer you to cases like that of.



    There is also the adverse that such action would have on my ability to mount a defence in court and as such affect legal right. At this point I would like to remind you of a correspondence on the 16/9/2013 and the problems I outlined I it and recommend you look at cases such as



    A a closing point at no time have I in this correspondence or any correspondence acknowledged my debt with you or Lowell Financial Limited or any affiliated company's only my wish to come to a agreement with Vanquis bank






    [FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Yours sincerely,[/FONT]

    i have had to remove links to post sorry
  • as it was a account set up in 2009 and all online and over the phone there is no paper work and all they would have to do is remake the cca and at the moment i just what to make shour it doesnt get to court and as he as put in the letter of claim that his is going to claim against me in the county court i thought it required a stronger step
    ps i was never going to send all the text in a letter i just found it and want what bits might be worth quoteing
  • i am thinking that if i can stop court action from bc is it worth me trying for a full and final setlement as with some change in plans on my car ins i could offer a max of £200 in the condition that my credit report is marked as such and i receve writen notice ect
  • hi every one i receved i reponce from bc
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    is it me but has he just made i big mistake as i have never a account with argos home retail group
  • My husband has just pointed out that it say , surely it should have at least had a persons name? I think I will do as you suggested and send one to the ceo and one to the collections department... thank you. the letter also says they are representing their client... JD Williams, I haven't a clue who that is and have certainly not had any correspondance from them!!
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