'Have you paid for pornography?' poll discussion

Oldbiggles wrote: »

Vegetarian???
If we are not supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of Meat??

If you look after the pennies, the pounds will look after themselves.

lol - i just read your signature as "look after the penis" ! :rotfl:
(giggle at the comment!)

Maat wrote: »

I don't use pornography for the same reason I'm vegetarian - I do my best not to cause harm to others.

So why not just avoid buying battery farmed eggs or crated veal or non-organically farmed meat, all of which "cause harm"?

This link gives a voice to men, women and children who have been harmed by it. Maybe the 90% of men in particular who said they watch it should find out more about the people who suffer within it and because of it.

Maybe those who produce sites like that should stop cherry-picking their data which agrees with their point of view and ignoring anything that doesn't.

For example quoting what rapists say? That's really going to give you an unbiased sample, isn't it! Is a rapist going to stand up and say "I like raping women, what's wrong with that?" or are they going to try to exculpate themselves by saying "it wasn't my fault, the !!!!!! made me do it"...?

And it cites the work of Donnerstein who thought he'd found a link between showing men pornography and violent attitudes to women. What it doesn't mention is that he subsequently *withdrew* his conclusions because he found that the same results could be achieved by, instead of showing pornography, he got his subjects to ride an exercise bike for ten minutes. Should we ban exercise bikes as well?

Most significantly, however, it does *not* cite the work of Professor Milton Diamond PhD of the University of Hawai'i who looked at the levels of sexual crimes in the USA and Japan (including violent material) and concluded "It is certainly clear from the data reviewed, and the new data and analysis presented, that a massive increase in available pornography in Japan, the United States and elsewhere has been correlated with a dramatic decrease in sexual crimes" [his emphasis]

Of course those who oppose pornography won't cite anything that disagrees with their point of view, because they *know* it "causes harm" and won't consider that there may be *other* causes of that harm.

greenie1 wrote: »

There is a whole moral argument to be had before a commercial one is even up for discussion.

Unfortunately that "moral argument" seems to mostly be "I don't like this, so *you* shouldn't do it".

If all participants are consenting adults then it is the business of *nobody* except them what they do.

Some things are not discussed for a reason. It offends many

Yes, just like in the last century people did not talk about homosexuality...

Oldbiggles wrote: »

With so many TV programmes and films showing an ever increasing amount of the so called sexual act. Why bother to pay to watch it on a pay site?

:cool:

I'd say that argument would apply to easily downloadable illegal (in a copyright sense) content rather than the poor material shown on TV.

I'm all for changing the rules, at present you can buy hardcore magazines wherever, videos only from licensed shops and anything on internet. The money made from changing broadcasting rules would be significant, theres no issue of children seeing inappropriate material in this age of encryption (24 hour broadcasting rather than the present post-watershed nonsense) and free availability.

At the end of the day it all comes down to choice, you can either choose to use it or not at all. What consenting adults do behind closed doors are of no consequence or business to anyone else. Children need to be better educated as well with regards to sex and the whole thing about pornography. Driving an issue underground only causes misinformation and people unable to find out the facts for themselves, hence teens thinking ridiculous !!!!!! acting, bodies and orgies are the norm.

As for me, free all the way, I won't be paying for it until either the quality and availability improves or I pay a tax on the air I breathe...

I find 99% of !!!!!! to be the very opposite of erotic. I don't view much to be honest but have paid on ocassion precisely to avoid the, in my opinion, horrible stuff that clogs up the net. There are a few sites that make a big deal about ethics such as Suicide Girls and Abby Winters - give me them over weird sexual athletics anytime!