'Are you a knock-off Nigel or Nigella?' poll discussion

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  • hefferwump
    hefferwump Posts: 15 Forumite
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    first people need to remember the people who sell these copies are criminals often organized gangs & some of the time this money goes towards funding terrorists. second if they had any idea how hard it is for small traders to earn enough to even pay the bills let alone have a life outside work hopefully they would think twice & also remember even just watching them once & then deleting them is against the law. I know a lot of people will use the excuse of how much the film company's & actors earn but they should ask themselves how would they like it if they saw others making an illegal living off of there work & not even pay taxes on it either
  • Lexis200
    Lexis200 Posts: 272 Forumite
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    hefferwump wrote: »
    first people need to remember the people who sell these copies are criminals often organized gangs & some of the time this money goes towards funding terrorists.

    I find it hard to believe that your average terrorist stands on street corners peddling fake movies at 3 quid a go because he hasn't quite got enough money for that downpayment on the latest batch of C4 he's ordered from Bombs'R'Us... If it were possible to do a poll of all these peddlers, you'd probably find that they're just poor people who've found a "niche market" selling cheap stuff to other poor people. Drugs... now that's a whole different ball game, but movies aren't really a *neccessity* are they.
    hefferwump wrote: »
    second if they had any idea how hard it is for small traders to earn enough to even pay the bills let alone have a life outside work hopefully they would think twice & also remember even just watching them once & then deleting them is against the law.
    Quite agree that small traders have a hard time, but peddling knockoffs on the street is probably the least of their worries... Tescos, Asda, Play.com etc etc are killing off the small trader as they can buy in bulk and pass on the savings, something that small traders can't afford to do.
    hefferwump wrote: »
    I know a lot of people will use the excuse of how much the film company's & actors earn but they should ask themselves how would they like it if they saw others making an illegal living off of there work & not even pay taxes on it either

    Don't even get me started on inflated earnings and wages that the film companies and actors get (or footballers for that matter). Who *NEEDS* to earn £10 million for a film, or £150K per week for footballers? That's just obscene when there's poverty all around. And honestly, if the film companies are making half a BILLION dollars profit for one film, why don't they make the DVDs cheaper? Leave cinema prices as they are, people will pay a premium to see the film when it comes out, but cut DVD prices to sensible levels and still make a (smaller) profit. If the costs are low enough, it won't be worth street peddlers going out to "work".

    Now that that's sorted, I'm off to solve world peace and find a cure for cancer... back in a bit :D
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  • xmollyx
    xmollyx Posts: 11 Forumite
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    "The trouble with that statement is you made the first post last night, then you went and lay in a darkened room overnight, THEN you got up before 8am and told everyone you were angry and had to go and lie down... it seems to me you need anger management classes rather than just a lie down, as that clearly isn't working!!!:rotfl::rotfl:" Lexis200


    Yes I quite agree, the lie down is clearly not working. Anger management classes it is!!:mad::rotfl:

    Now to be known as "Mrs Angry"
  • izgard
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    ChemicalJasper wrote: »
    Knock off Nigel's only exist due to the greed on the media companies.

    DVDs and CD when pressed in huge runs cost pennies

    If you could buy a proper copy at a fair price say £3 - £5,

    THIS! DVDs for some films retail at exorbitant prices, sometimes up to the £30 mark. How can this be justified when stores are easily and frequently able to slash their prices down to a reasonable £3 or £4?

    Whenever I go to HMV for example, I usually end up with an armful of cheap films, particularly the "3 for £10" or reduced box sets and stuff like that.
    The only reason I download content from the internet is because it's either that for a film I want to watch, or being forced to pay through the nose for a cinema experience or for an original, always in hopes that maybe, just maybe, the film I want to watch will be one of those on offer.
  • globalds
    globalds Posts: 9,431 Forumite
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    I would say that most of the talk of criminal gangs and connections to other more sinister criminal activity is more to do with demonising by the players who stand to lose money out of illegal copying than any hard evidence.
    The producers have tried to turn advances in technology into some morel high ground argument .
    If you are in a business that is far more to do with selling copies rather than art and creation and ownership ,then don't be surprised if the biggest threat to your business is other people doing what you do ,cheaper .
    If I sell you 2 rabbits would you accept a law as fair that said only the rabbits I own are rabbits that can breed ..
    Maybe the industry should focus more on producing a product that was an intrinsically better experience for going to watch or releasing their product in a more timely manner that reduced the window of opportunity for copies to be of value .
  • hefferwump
    hefferwump Posts: 15 Forumite
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    yes its civil but that is still the law so you are still doing something illegal
  • adouglasmhor
    adouglasmhor Posts: 15,554 Forumite
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    hefferwump wrote: »
    first people need to remember the people who sell these copies are criminals often organized gangs & some of the time this money goes towards funding terrorists.



    :rotfl: If they are terrorists and criminals why isn't more police time spent cracking down on them? Because that's scaremongering bollox that's why. Most copiers are just neds and chavs trying to get a bit more income. they may even buy drugs with it but BREAKING HEADLINE, Some legitimate workers and bosses spend money on drugs as well, You never see ads saying don't get shares as stockbrokers stick it up their nose funding terrorsit criminal;s in Central and South America do you?
    The truth may be out there, but the lies are inside your head. Terry Pratchett


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  • hefferwump
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    Petmidget wrote: »
    No legal expert but I believe G is wrong.

    It is "unlawful" to d/l copyright material from illegitimate sites, but it only becomes "illegal" if you then seek to distribute and profit from those downloads.

    Simply watching then deleting you have not committed a criminal act but you may have violated a copyright which is a civil matter.

    it may be civil but its still illegal
  • adouglasmhor
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    hefferwump wrote: »
    yes its civil but that is still the law so you are still doing something illegal


    Unlawful does not always mean Illegal.
    The truth may be out there, but the lies are inside your head. Terry Pratchett


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  • hefferwump
    hefferwump Posts: 15 Forumite
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    you may notice that i come from high wycombe do you remember the recent court case about a terrorist plot to blow up aircraft well they all lived very near to me & before this all came out i had seen 1 of these selling both mainstream & porno films in local pubs on several occasions Ive seen him selling them @ 3 for £10 & taking anything up to £50 in about 10 Min's then going onto another pub Ive no idea how much he made but it must have been a small fortune so sorry to disappoint you but it does happen
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