what's cheapest to run central heating or Dyson am09?

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  • Cardew
    Cardew Posts: 29,036 Forumite
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    edited 14 October 2016 at 3:00PM
    It is pertinent to point out that if you are only heating a room(s) to prevent damp, it is far more effective and economical to use a dehumidifier. That said a dehumidifier works better in warm air so whilst the humidifier itself produces heat, it might be necessary to warm the room on occasion to get rid of more moisture.

    If dampness is a problem, it is important to find the source of the problem - even if it is just a ventilation issue. Warming a room simply means the warm air will hold more moisture, it is not a solution. That additional moisture will appear on any cold surface e.g. windows.

    http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/How-do-I-get-rid-of-damp-and-mould.aspx

    http://www.maintainyourbuilding.org.uk/pages/getting_to_grips_with_damp.html
  • coffeehound
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    This thread doesn't contain quite enough variables yet, so may I add another? :)

    Although the rating plate on the heater may say 2 kW, it won't use that amount of electrickery all the time. Things that have a thermostat or other power regulator only use that power during the 'on' cycle. A 2 kW heater left on for an hour will not use 2 kWh unless perhaps it is set to maximum temperature.

    Also: £400?? That's 20x what any of my heaters cost! It better be good.
  • lstar337
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    Cardew wrote: »
    It is pertinent to point out that if you are only heating a room(s) to prevent damp, it is far more effective and economical to use a dehumidifier. That said a dehumidifier works better in warm air so whilst the humidifier itself produces heat, it might be necessary to warm the room on occasion to get rid of more moisture.
    Just want to jump in and say that desiccant type dehumidifiers are not bothered by cold temperatures like a compressor type is. Compressor types are most efficient between 15c & 30c and performance is poor below 5c. Desiccant models are happy to work from 0c through to 30c without any drop in performance.
  • matelodave
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    lstar337 wrote: »
    Just want to jump in and say that desiccant type dehumidifiers are not bothered by cold temperatures like a compressor type is. Compressor types are most efficient between 15c & 30c and performance is poor below 5c. Desiccant models are happy to work from 0c through to 30c without any drop in performance.

    I've owned both sorts and the compressor unit used to freeze up when it was cold.

    The dessicant ones are much more effective down to very low temperatures although they probably cost a bit more to run - they are also a lot quieter as they don't have a compressor rattling inside them
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  • rtho782
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    The Dyson heater will use 2kW of energy to produce 2kW of heat. There may be times that it uses less energy (dependant on thermostat or whatever) but then it will put out less heat.

    It will be 95%+ efficient (5% is for the fan). It will never produce more heat than it uses in electricity.

    Your gas boiler, if modern, is 90% or more efficient. You can, if you like, turn all the radiators off except the one in the desired room. It can also never produce more heat than it uses in electricity.

    Except that gas is around 1/4 of the price of electricity, so it's way way cheaper to run than your gimmicky fan.

    If you want cheap to run, environmentally efficient, etc, get air source heat pump/air con in every room. As this is moving heat, not creating heat, you can gain 4.0kW of heat in a room from less than 1kW of electricity. You can also cool in the summer. So it's effectively 400%+ efficient.

    It's probably about the same to run as gas, as gas is so much cheaper, but can be powered from renewable sources.
  • jazzy
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    Alter_ego wrote: »
    Thanks, that will use exactly 2kw every hour it's on.
    Not really, because the Dyson is controlled thermostatically.
  • lstar337
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    rtho782 wrote: »
    If you want cheap to run, environmentally efficient, etc, get air source heat pump/air con in every room. As this is moving heat, not creating heat, you can gain 4.0kW of heat in a room from less than 1kW of electricity. You can also cool in the summer. So it's effectively 400%+ efficient.
    Not always. The outside temperature will greatly affect the COP.

    Being realistic, I would expect to see a COP of about 3.5 in good conditions, reducing to 1 in very cold weather.

    You would find it difficult to beat gas with ASHP's.
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