Conservatory fitting issue

Davesnave wrote: »

The fitters are very good. It's everyone else....

I will put a different slant on this. As a rule of thumb site measuring is useless, and/or innaccurate. This goes forward to produce pathetic A4 size 3D drawings that are devoid of dimensions and detail. These are time worn deliberate procedures that would not happen with any professional building project, but are normal in the conservatory industry. This in a nutshell is the type of service you have received because this is the type of service every consumer receives.

However, the conservatories are then fitted by teams who know how useless the system and procedures are. These teams invariably they do nothing to flag up problems/pre check dimensions/ dy fix/lay out components/scrutinise drawings and so on. In essence we frequently say they are good based on turning up on time, being polite, and keeping the workplace clean. In reality these teams are as slapdash and lackadaisical as the companies who employ them. Here you only have to witness your bodged cill detail.

Standards are abysmal and the industry is unregulated. Even your brickwork is no advert for workmanship, and will not win any prizes!

PS Sorry if the last comment causes offence - it is just an observation!

Davesnave wrote: »

Err......well.... the brickwork wasn't done by them; it was in-house.
I know it isn't top notch, more like bottom rung, but it's level and accurate.

And the bodged sill, which we won't accept, was on the instructions of their boss, who probably couldn't read his own tiny drawing. One of the fitters told me it should be changed, but it wasn't his place etc etc.

As for the leaky box gutter, that was done by a tig welder not connected with any of us, although it would have been common sense to test it before fitting.

Here in the countryside we're used to engaging part-time, second tier
tradespeople, (for example, our plumber and plasterer are also farmers) but they do a reasonable job, or no one would employ them. This is the first real problem we've run into in 2.5 years of major renovations.

I apologise over the brickwork, but return to your cill and the fitters.

There is a catalogue of cills available so your fitters could have fitted a smaller cill - as an example I have two different sizes fitted on my home. Then come onto the door frame. My bricklayers got their dimensions wrong on one of my openings so I had an add on put up each side of the frame.

Using this an an example to illustrate a point ... Did your fitters start by laying out the pieces and then consider these items? "You need a different size cill here mate"

Did they engage with you over these possibilities? "You need an add on here mate"

Why did they just blast ahead knowing what they were doing was wrong?

I accept they may not have a suitable cill on their van on that particular day, (but it would have been available within a few hours) but it is a certainty they had appropriate lengths of add on.

Your salesman was not good, your measuring and survey was not good, your design was not good, but I am suggesting your fitters were also not good.

You are a switched on, knowledgable, respected consumer yet this happens to you. I have my attributes, whatever they happen to be, and it happens to me. This is a reflection on the conservatory industry - it is rotten to the core and survives because it is totally devoid of regulation. Consumers all pay the price for this.

Furts wrote: »

I will put a different slant on this. As a rule of thumb site measuring is useless, and/or innaccurate. This goes forward to produce pathetic A4 size 3D drawings that are devoid of dimensions and detail. These are time worn deliberate procedures that would not happen with any professional building project, but are normal in the conservatory industry. This in a nutshell is the type of service you have received because this is the type of service every consumer receives.

However, the conservatories are then fitted by teams who know how useless the system and procedures are. These teams invariably they do nothing to flag up problems/pre check dimensions/ dy fix/lay out components/scrutinise drawings and so on. In essence we frequently say they are good based on turning up on time, being polite, and keeping the workplace clean. In reality these teams are as slapdash and lackadaisical as the companies who employ them. Here you only have to witness your bodged cill detail.

Standards are abysmal and the industry is unregulated. Even your brickwork is no advert for workmanship, and will not win any prizes!

PS Sorry if the last comment causes offence - it is just an observation!

Really Furts you do talk some rubbish you constantly call anybody who works in the building trade and tar them all with the same brush it is my opinion that you are and have only ever been a paper pusher in this industry and have now skill set yourself please Furts look at the glass as half full instead of half empty .