Tearing my hair out about ovens!

User1312
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Hi hope you can help. I picked an oven to replace the existing built under oven in our kitchen. Kitchen is being replaced completely in next 3-4 years so I'm not looking for an expensive one. Problem is, the builder said the one I picked out is too wide, and gave me new measurements to work to, but I cannot find any built under ovens with the below widths! Have I misunderstood or am I just not looking properly? I assumed all build-under appliances were the same width but this gap seems narrower. Thanks

Recess dimensions:
Width - 560mm
Height - 720mm
Depth - 570mm
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  • FreeBear
    FreeBear Posts: 14,599 Forumite
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    The "standard" unit size for a built in oven is 600mm - The carcase will be 18mm for good quality units, 15mm for the cheap ones.

    600mm - 2*18mm = 564mm - Close to what you have measured. Picking an oven at random (a Zanussi ZPVF4130X) and having a look at the dimensions...
    lg_ZPVF4130X_OVEN_SPEC.jpg

    At 560mm wide, it should slide in the hole nicely as would most other similar ovens.
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  • User1312
    User1312 Posts: 101 Forumite
    Hmm I see so I need to look at the installation guide on some of these to see if they say min 560? Thank you
  • martinsurrey
    martinsurrey Posts: 3,368 Forumite
    User1312 wrote: »
    Hmm I see so I need to look at the installation guide on some of these to see if they say min 560? Thank you

    You can be almost 100% certain that EVERY built in oven will be designed to fit a 600mm cabinet, which means the rear of the oven will be 560mm with a 18mm edge around the front.
  • User1312
    User1312 Posts: 101 Forumite
    This was the one I was looking at and it says min 597 so I don't think it will work? http://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/media.markselectrical.co.uk/manuals/IDU6340BL.pdf
  • FreeBear
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    edited 3 October 2017 at 1:16PM
    If it is a "built under" oven, then it is free standing and does indeed require a 600mm gap. Instead of the IDU6340BL, have a look at the IDD6340BL (note the slight difference in model number), this one is a "built in" and should fit the gap you have.

    http://docs.whirlpool.eu/_doc/19514925800_GB.pdf

    It is somewhat confusing with "built in" and "built under" ovens... One question - The space you have to fit the oven, is there a cabinet there that the existing oven slides in to ?

    A photo or two might help.
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  • User1312
    User1312 Posts: 101 Forumite
    I'll take a picture tonight and post up. The oven that's there at the moment is 595mm wide if you include the door, but the back bit which slots into the gap is only 560mm. It's an Indesit FIM 31.

    The one you've posted is the correct width I think but wrong height! I only have 720mm height because it's not going at eye level, it's going under the worktop.
  • Ant555
    Ant555 Posts: 1,569 Forumite
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    edited 3 October 2017 at 3:42PM
    User1312 wrote: »
    It's an Indesit FIM 31.
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    The manual for your existing oven suggests the dimensions for an under the counter installation require a gap of 560mm wide x between 575 and 585 tall x 547 deep.

    Where has the suggested height of 720 come from? IS that the gap between the underneath of your counter top and the top of the kickboard (ie the cabinet hight?) - Is there a 'shelf' forming the opening, on which your current oven sits?

    If this is the same oven then those dimensions can be seen in the manual here
    http://kitchen.manualsonline.com/manuals/mfg/indesit/fim_31_ka_ix_gb.html?p=2
  • User1312
    User1312 Posts: 101 Forumite
    OK so I've attached some images; the gap that the oven is in now, and a (not to scale) rough drawing I did with the measurements. This is the oven I wanted: http://!!!!!!/2gaO7Ge and this is its installation guide http://www.stoves.co.uk/media/549804/ST-SEB600FP.pdf

    Current oven space: https://ibb.co/kQWVDw
    Diagram: https://ibb.co/dx51Lb

    Hope this helps (sorry I can't rotate the first image)

    We have another issue in that I've been told that if the oven that's in there in the moment hasn't been hard-wired, we'll need an electrician if we wanted to install a double one. So we may have to have another single anyway (or pay a few hundred) :(
  • FreeBear
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    edited 4 October 2017 at 1:16PM
    Looking at the manual, the SEB700FPS will fit into the space you have. What you currently have, is a 600mm oven housing designed to take a "standard" built-in oven. The draw front and supporting "shelf" could be removed to fit a taller oven - That would give you up to ~680mm in height to play with.

    If you wanted to fit a built-under oven, then the existing housing could be removed to give you a 600mm gap.

    The SEB700FPS will require new wiring, but that may not be a bad thing - There appears to be quite a bit of heat damage on the existing socket, so that needs investigating. That said, it may just be heat scorching from the rear of the old oven. Difficult to tell from this distance :p
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  • Doozergirl
    Doozergirl Posts: 33,805 Forumite
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    That is a shelf with a filler panel at the bottom of your unit. You just take those out! The filler panel is there for when people have single ovens.

    Just for illustration, look at the picture of this oven installed. There is no filler panel.
    https://www.howdens.com/appliance-collection/ovens/lamona-built-under-double-fan-oven/

    Just take it out a buy a proper sized double oven!
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