Shop Radio License? scammers?

1679111219

Comments

  • dacouch
    dacouch Posts: 21,637
    Name Dropper First Anniversary First Post
    Forumite
    Kwik Fit were asked for £200000 for nearly 600 garages fir 5 plus years, they have ust come to an "arrangment" with the PRS. There are going to be some rich sales people at the PRS and musicians!
  • I agree with both sides of this argument to some extent.. but.......

    With radio I have agree with many others, that it is unreasonable to expect businesses (especially small businesses) to pay for these licences (with one exception).

    For radio surely the best way to collect revenue for artists is via the radio station, not the end listener - especially so when 1) the radio station is already paying royalties to artists to play the music 2) the end user is listening to adverts in most cases, and 3) many listeners go and purchase new music they have heard on the radio.

    Surely the best way to manage this would be to amend the rules so that: radio can be played in businesses without a licence as long as it’s not in a public area like a shop floor. For customer areas like shop floors then a licence should be purchased - with the price dependant on the size of the business. Artists would not be without benefit for the reasons I mention above if the license requirement was removed from non public work areas.

    When it comes to playing music like CDs then yes the argument is harder to make and although one could argue the CD has already been purchased etc.... I think on balance performance licenses for businesses are fair and just. Radio though... most definitely NOT!

    That’s my take!
  • weeclick
    weeclick Posts: 1,051 Forumite
    just what i was going to say :)

    at the end of the day you are charged for the right to air a performance if you like. to listen to it on ur own is one thing, to use it as a motivational tool for your workers, to amuse customers etc is helping a business profits. So why shouldnt you pay for the right? You would pay a TV licence to play a tv in the office right? Thats more acceptable though because you know of it and have become used to it? Also professional artists dont make anywhere near £1 profit per cd! Flip me, they wish they did. In fact those who just sell their CDs after small gigs etc and are not signed... they are the ones to make the most profit per CD.

    This is one of my big bug bears, people who dont like to pay for music or the right to use it to benefit themselves.

    oh and by the way £1400 sounds a lot.... but thats only £20 per year per person working. Personally i think thats a cheap (and also effective) method of motivating staff!


    Well said! I was a music student and it used to sicken me that I would spend all this time creating music, writing and performing yet people would almost expect the privilage for nothing! As you say musicians barely make anything from cd sells or royalties for that matter and thats why so may tours are held, in order to boost their income!

    I think its more that, unless youve researched everything for your business in depth in may come as a surprise for some people. If it helps lift the mood in the work place and boosts your sales then I say its a great tool to have and therefore worth paying for!
    Life is what you make it.
  • DCodd
    DCodd Posts: 8,187
    First Anniversary Combo Breaker
    Forumite
    weeclick wrote: »
    Well said! I was a music student and it used to sicken me that I would spend all this time creating music, writing and performing yet people would almost expect the privilage for nothing! As you say musicians barely make anything from cd sells or royalties for that matter and thats why so may tours are held, in order to boost their income!

    I think its more that, unless youve researched everything for your business in depth in may come as a surprise for some people. If it helps lift the mood in the work place and boosts your sales then I say its a great tool to have and therefore worth paying for!

    We already pay for this many times over. My big gripe with this is that we end up paying for music that we do not want to listen to as well as the stuff we like.

    This is totally getting out of hand, the radio is the music industry's main source of advertising. Why should we pay to hear a song, then pay to buy that song! If you went to a garage to take a test drive would you expect to pay a fee for trying it and have that fee increased because you had the chance to try other cars in the range? I think not!!

    They have been asked for a list of material that they administer (as it is NOT all material being played) and refused to supply and they have been asked to show how they can possibly distribute the funds accurately, again they refused to supply the information.

    The PRS are harming the music industry with their unfounded requests for fees. Businesses are switching off in droves, just check out the thread on the Federation of Small Businesses website forum. this includes a musician who registered with PRS and received no royalties despite knowing that his music was being played!!!

    The Copyright, Designs and Patents Act DOES NOT say that Businesses are required to pay the licence, unless it is an entertainment premisies or that a fee is charged for entry or that the premises is hired for entertainment.

    I have still not have a reply from the PRS and until they justify this they can go and boil their head!!:beer:
    Always get a Qualified opinion - My qualifications are that I am OLD and GRUMPY:p:p
  • chickmug
    chickmug Posts: 3,279 Forumite
    Reminds me of the days I was in new homes and the PRS man came into HO and saw me. He was scruffily dressed and I thought it was someone having a laugh. We had music players in the downstairs of every showhome (80'ish) for which he wanted a chunky sum of money for the rights to play the music. So we stopped playing the music and as someone has said we bought the CDs so thought we could use them but NOT so.
    A retired senior partner, in own agency, with 40 years experience in property sales & new build. In latter part of career specialising in commercial - mostly business sales.
  • DCodd wrote: »
    We already pay for this many times over. My big gripe with this is that we end up paying for music that we do not want to listen to as well as the stuff we like.

    This is totally getting out of hand, the radio is the music industry's main source of advertising. Why should we pay to hear a song, then pay to buy that song! If you went to a garage to take a test drive would you expect to pay a fee for trying it and have that fee increased because you had the chance to try other cars in the range? I think not!!

    They have been asked for a list of material that they administer (as it is NOT all material being played) and refused to supply and they have been asked to show how they can possibly distribute the funds accurately, again they refused to supply the information.

    The PRS are harming the music industry with their unfounded requests for fees. Businesses are switching off in droves, just check out the thread on the Federation of Small Businesses website forum. this includes a musician who registered with PRS and received no royalties despite knowing that his music was being played!!!

    The Copyright, Designs and Patents Act DOES NOT say that Businesses are required to pay the licence, unless it is an entertainment premisies or that a fee is charged for entry or that the premises is hired for entertainment.

    I have still not have a reply from the PRS and until they justify this they can go and boil their head!!:beer:

    The PRS pay fees by taking sample play lists regularly from radio stations as well as all the set lists that are sent to them etc. So there is your answer. Yes this will miss the people who get their track played once or twice an miss out HOWEVER...

    If an artist KNOWS their song has been used, or they play regularly and know they should be getting royalties, then all they have to do is tell the PRS and they WILL get their share. In fact a great company to sign up to, to ensure you get your royalties is scentric music (google them).

    And that act may not state that you need to pay for this licence, but the fact is you do. Lots of acts are out dated and saddly it always take a long time to fix them. Unless you think the fact they havent changed the fact english men can kill welsh men on st georges day providing it is with a bow and arrow is a good thing? (im sure thats one of the silly laws) and their is a road in the isle of man you cant walk ducks up either if i recall.

    God help us when you start a thread once the ISP's add in their £1 fee to cover any music illigally downloaded while using their service ;) ... cause I bet you will have issue paying that too right?
  • sparkey1
    sparkey1 Posts: 444
    First Post
    Forumite
    i would use the radio stations on freeview, they are better and the prs can take their license and i will give them a license to shove it up their backside

    So you will need a TV License and also a licence from the other organisation that works like the PRS. Sorry cant remember its name, but for a TV up to about 32inch its about £500 per year!
  • DCodd
    DCodd Posts: 8,187
    First Anniversary Combo Breaker
    Forumite
    And that act may not state that you need to pay for this licence, but the fact is you do. Lots of acts are out dated and saddly it always take a long time to fix them.



    This Act is regularly updated, the last time 2007 I believe. And the FACT is no one actually knows and ANYONE who says differently is talking rubbish as no precident has ever been set although PRS have taken two smallish businesses to court and LOST both cases (See FSB website forum).

    This does not change the fact that we are being asked to pay for the advertising of a song whether we want to listen to it or not. We now, along with thousands of others, choose to not listen. We advertise on Radio but do we get money whether people buy our services or not, NO!

    Get real. £12.2 Million a year revenue just from businesses in an economic climate that is this dire!!! SHAME ON YOU PRS!!
    Always get a Qualified opinion - My qualifications are that I am OLD and GRUMPY:p:p
  • LilMissEmmylou
    LilMissEmmylou Posts: 1,721 Forumite
    yeah shame on them indeed paying artists money - tsk tsk, what IS the world coming to...
  • weeclick
    weeclick Posts: 1,051 Forumite
    DCodd wrote: »
    We already pay for this many times over. My big gripe with this is that we end up paying for music that we do not want to listen to as well as the stuff we like.

    This is totally getting out of hand, the radio is the music industry's main source of advertising. Why should we pay to hear a song, then pay to buy that song! If you went to a garage to take a test drive would you expect to pay a fee for trying it and have that fee increased because you had the chance to try other cars in the range? I think not!!

    They have been asked for a list of material that they administer (as it is NOT all material being played) and refused to supply and they have been asked to show how they can possibly distribute the funds accurately, again they refused to supply the information.

    The PRS are harming the music industry with their unfounded requests for fees. Businesses are switching off in droves, just check out the thread on the Federation of Small Businesses website forum. this includes a musician who registered with PRS and received no royalties despite knowing that his music was being played!!!

    The Copyright, Designs and Patents Act DOES NOT say that Businesses are required to pay the licence, unless it is an entertainment premisies or that a fee is charged for entry or that the premises is hired for entertainment.

    I have still not have a reply from the PRS and until they justify this they can go and boil their head!!:beer:

    I agree that musicians still dont see the money they should whether you pay the license or not, but I think it isnt relevant whether you like the music or not! My point simply was it lifts the mood in some places regardless of song choices.
    Life is what you make it.
This discussion has been closed.
Meet your Ambassadors

Categories

  • All Categories
  • 342.2K Banking & Borrowing
  • 249.8K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
  • 449.3K Spending & Discounts
  • 234.4K Work, Benefits & Business
  • 606.7K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
  • 172.7K Life & Family
  • 247.2K Travel & Transport
  • 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
  • 15.8K Discuss & Feedback
  • 15.1K Coronavirus Support Boards