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    • dekaspace
    • By dekaspace 20th Mar 17, 5:57 PM
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    Housing benefit advice for a friend.
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    • 20th Mar 17, 5:57 PM
    Housing benefit advice for a friend. 20th Mar 17 at 5:57 PM
    Not same friend as before, but one with phyiscal and mental health problems, he moved in recently with a friend as was promised part time work with his employer whom he hasn't worked for a year due to mental health getting him sectioned and despite help from various places employer messing him around.

    Biggest issue is originally the council wanted wage slips, but as right now he is on sick pay of just over £100 a month he doesn't get them, council originally said a letter from his employer to confirm this is ok now gone back on that and wants wage slips that don't exist.

    Bank statements are a problem in the sense they will cost money to reissue and right now most of his money goes on debt and food (he needs special foods as diabetic)

    He can't get a social worker yet as he needs to get referred from his doctor and they don't have his file yet.

    But another friend went as a witness with this friend to start the claim and they kept telling him he SHOULD apply for ESA even though the witness said friend is waiting for employer to put pension money in and if he applys for ESA now he will lose it (long story)

    Council has sent friend a letter wanting wage slips proof of application for ESA, bank statemnts.

    Before anyone says, he has no issue showing his bank statements he just never got them, (or they were stolen) in the first place

    But he hasn't applied for ESA as it will screw up things with his employer.

    Not sure what to do as on top of that friend has at short notice gone to his brothers funeral and his mental health has shot down again, but even if he was here he couldn't speak to council himself as would get confused.

    Is there anyway someone can speak for him?
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    • dekaspace
    • By dekaspace 21st Mar 17, 6:07 PM
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    As another with diabetes, I have to agree with those above.ie there is no special diet needed;just a good one.


    Aldi and other supermarkets have
    weekly deals on fruit and veg, with many items being in the under 50p category.


    Expensive foods are meats and ready meals,but the former is not needed in large quantities and ready meals often have the wrong ingredients, such as unnecessary added sugar.


    Very expensive foods are the marketed 'diabetic' foods, which Diabetes UK discourages people from using, because they have no special benefits, but are costly and can cause bowel and other problems.
    Originally posted by teddysmum
    He already has a good diet, he loves fruit and veg but lowered his intake of fruit due to sugars after he was diagnosed, though I don't think his diet is perfect, he eats things like museli, porridge. proper cereal bars not the breakfast ones, potatoes and a lot of other veg, when he was at his dads he was limited to Asda shopping as he lived around 20 miles from nearest town (well small village town 15 miles away but no supermarkets there) another reason for him moving up here.

    Im not sure health myself but so often since he was diagnosed you can witness him eat a good meal then see him suddenly get lethargic and eyes go red and he looks physically weak at which point he tests his blood and the blood sugar is either too low or barely normal it was assumed about 2 years ago this was down to wrong insulin as after he had the stroke they told him he was on the wrong stuff for years and gave him different which seemed to help for a while now back to his normal problems.

    And I have never witnessed it but seizures are common in morning for him related to low blood sugar.

    Natwest don't charge to print statements.

    People receiving sick pay receive payslips.

    You cannot run out of fit notes from the Dr, there is also no such thing as a file being up, if he has been sectioned he will have been issued with a fit note that he can have re-issued regularly by calling his mental health teams PA.
    Originally posted by GwylimT
    Its not that though, as some previous treads on friend the situation is strange, his GP can't issue him a sick note as he recently changed to new GP in new town who won't issue one till his file has been transferred which takes at least 4 weeks he was told, then was told he would have to get seen by doctor to assess if he needs one.

    After he was sectioned he moved in unnoficially with his father who has serious health issues (or at least the dad claims he does) which was middle of nowhere, he never got mental health support as his nearest main hospital is 25 miles away which may not sound a lot but being in middle of nowhere public transport would take about 3 hours each way, and about £20 for one journey, thats before we bring in the fact he was put on waiting list for support these are reasons why he wanted to live in same town as me near Glasgow so he had friends nearby, many hospitals, access to social work etc.

    And no he has had zero payslips, well actually thats partly true when he was getting normal sick pay for first 6 months they issued them but send to a address he hasn't lived at for 3 years then when normal sick pay ran out they stopped issuing, as its third hand information its unclear about the £100 a month from speaking to the friend dealing with his union issues he seems to hint its out of his own pocket and hes just telling the friend its coming from employer and that makes the most sense really.

    If he just phoned Natwest would they issue statements? Theres no branches around here its all RBS instead.

    So yes second/third hand information isn't the best but the person dealing with the employer did forward me on emails from the manager at friends former store who confirms things like he hasn't worked for a year and gets no sick pay.

    I did say to him before he moved here to claim ESA but the person dealing with his work problems said wait until the pension is sorted as its about £900 (spoke to him again today) as if he leaves it will be lost, and that the employer will have him down as voluntarily leaving if he leaves of own free will but if he does it through employer they will provide documents to say he was laid off due to health problems, and the employer doesn't actually want him anyway its a confusing situation.

    Got friend a Welfare Rights appointment which I can attend with him its just I panic a little for him knowing the issues he has.
    • tboo
    • By tboo 21st Mar 17, 6:29 PM
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    Just phoned up and they said they won't even consider a claim unless he gets ESA, and they would reject bank statements showing his £100 a month as thats not enough to live on so they would see it as suspicious.

    They then went on to say in that case they would close his claim and its up to him to find money to pay rent!!

    Is it normal they want people on sick pay to claim ESA to be assessed?
    Originally posted by dekaspace
    HB can be claimed on nil income so that's not correct

    Likewise if he doesn't send in his financial/capital details then the claim will be stopped

    Supermarkets will issue wage slips even with nil pay on them so he should heve received ones showing his SSP, if it's set up they can issue them via email if that's available to your 'friend'

    Also supermarkets pay every 4 weeks - the ones I've seen do amyway

    If his employers are sending wage slips to the wrong address then he has to tell payroll the correct one - showing a different address will ring alarm bells to the HB team

    Do you have permission to speak to all these depts. (HB etc) dealing with your 'friends' problems?

    You're getting not enough info from him or guessing and then givng it to these people - wouldn't it be best to contact them when he's sat with you
    Last edited by tboo; 21-03-2017 at 7:13 PM. Reason: changed a word as not spelt correctly


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    • Ames
    • By Ames 21st Mar 17, 6:54 PM
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    You do know that the £900 pension isn't cash he gets? It's put into a pension pot and won't provide much income when he comes to draw on it?

    For ESA it doesn't matter if he voluntarily leaves or is laid off.

    Are you really suggesting that the union rep is giving your friend £100 out of his own pocket because he's not entitled to SSP? Because that's ridiculous.
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    • dekaspace
    • By dekaspace 21st Mar 17, 7:57 PM
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    You do know that the £900 pension isn't cash he gets? It's put into a pension pot and won't provide much income when he comes to draw on it?

    For ESA it doesn't matter if he voluntarily leaves or is laid off.

    Are you really suggesting that the union rep is giving your friend £100 out of his own pocket because he's not entitled to SSP? Because that's ridiculous.
    Originally posted by Ames
    Im not sure if its £900 pension, or thats what hes paid into the pot but as its 9 years he worked there it seems reasonable to assume its £900 unless you have more knowledge on this sort of things

    Its not a union rep that is helping him, his friend/relative works in unions for other companies as well as has contacts throughout the UK so knows how the systems work as friends in highish places, and he is the sort of person who helps whom he can, he visited my friend a few weeks ago and took him and me on day out, buying us 2 meals, and to cinema and gave friend £50

    HB can be claimed on nil income so that's not correct

    Likewise if he doesn't send in his financial/capital details then the claim will be stopped

    Supermarkets will issue wage slips even with nil pay on them so he should heve received ones showing his SSP, if it's set up they can issue them via email if that's available to your 'friend'

    Also supermarkets pay every 4 weeks - the ones I've seen do amyway

    If his employers are sending wage slips to the wrong address then he has to tell payroll the correct one - showing a different address will ring alarm bells to the HB team

    Do you have permission to speak to all these depts. (HB etc) dealing with your 'friends' problems?

    You're getting not enough info from him or guessing and then givng it to these people - wouldn't it be best to contact them when he's sat with you
    Originally posted by tboo
    The way you word "friends" seems to imply you think its me but I have been on ESA for 4 years now and haven't worked in over 7 so its not me.

    When I spoke to council I made a general enquiry, another time it was in office and I was with him.

    Problem with him is even though hes the claimant hes not the one deailing with the work of the claim and his employer as his mental health is that bad..

    But as I say hes not getting wage slips, the copy of emails forwarded to me show the employer says shes not doing shifts for them therefore none need to be issued,

    I did say to council about his issues and it was difficult to explain, when i said he was employed but not being given shifts they said "well hes not sick then so should claim JSA" when I said he had mental health and physical health problems they said "well he should make a claim for ESA today" I did say he has gone away for a few days to his brothers funeral I then got "well hes not living in property then so not entitled to housing benefit"

    And as said no he hasn't had wageslips since his sick pay ran out, im not sure the system but he got a few hundred a month for first 6 months then something now and again, the wageslips sent to wrong address has been brought up by his friend dealing with employer who apologise about it but don't seem to do much.

    So its unsure if he gets SSP or not.

    So yes as I thought he can get HB on nil income so I don't know why council is saying he needs to be on ESA and they wouldn't accept that his income is £100 a month, I can understand suspicion as years ago when I was living in another area I had no income for 6 months as DWP messed up claim, it was only because I lived off final £600 wage from employer and landlord was willing to wait that I survived, I remember the council there saying there was no way I could of lived for 6 months with no money.
    • Torry Quine
    • By Torry Quine 21st Mar 17, 8:08 PM
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    SSP only lasts for 28 weeks after which a claim can be made for ESA whether or not someone is employed. They should have got an SSP 1 form from employer
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    • dekaspace
    • By dekaspace 21st Mar 17, 8:25 PM
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    SSP only lasts for 28 weeks after which a claim can be made for ESA whether or not someone is employed. They should have got an SSP 1 form from employer
    Originally posted by Torry Quine
    Interesting, my friend did say he got a reasonable amount of money for 6 months then it stopped and now gets £100 a month but its never on same day each month (which goes to the family member giving it to him credibility)

    It seems though from second hand information the employer isn't that bothered, when he did work for them and after his stroke they phoned him and told him he wasn't allowed time off or he would he fired whilst he was in a hospital bed and even though they got as much as 2 months in advance warning about hospital stays or appointments they would give him shift patterns that occured at those very times he needed to be in hospital.

    Even been implied many times that employer wants to get rid of him, they tell him, and the friend/relative that there is no vacancies but then one of us finds some and the employer claims they don't exist, even found an advert in a local paper saying they were desperate for staff which they denied even existed.

    But we go back to the fact friend has mental health problems (and signs of severe autism) so cannot take care of himself so even if he was meant to request something from employer he would forget or be too nervous or if refused he wouldn't argue and go on his way.
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