Infrared Heating Panels....Again!

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  • Richie-from-the-Boro
    Richie-from-the-Boro Posts: 6,945 Forumite
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    Dominic_Simonnet wrote: »
    In answer to your reply..

    Via dust circulation? NO as that is not how infrared heating works, please see wikipedia.

    Cleaning you house has nothing to do with it,....

    We are talking on a micro level and as the convection process rotates the air around the room circulating, it is moving dust and drying out the air, this is why people suffer in central heated rooms. Infrared does not work this way.

    You emmit around 100w of heat as you generate it from your body, a Wall in your home doesn't move, thus doesn't generate heat.The gain, is that when you convection heat a room it is doing so by heating air, air will not penetrate objects only heat the surface where as Infrared penetrates all objects and heats from within, this is exactly why INfrared was first commercially used to dry the paint on tanks in the war, as conventional methods was taking to long and we needed to get the tanks out on the battlefield.

    Ref your calculations... you state...
    15kWh x 4.5p (for gas) = 67.5p

    5.5kWh x 15p (for electric) = 82.5p

    Correct if we where measuring an electric convection heater against a convection gas heater.. but we are not we are measuring it against infrared, which penetrates your building and thus needs less time ON to keep it at the same temperature.

    Hope this helps clear it up, on a personal note, i ran oil heating in my 4 bed house with single glazed windows for 2 years, when i purchased it my oil bill was £170 per month in the winter months. I switched to Infrared and my heating electric bill as measured is only £110 per month and another benefit is if my boiler breaks i get shouted at from the wife, if an infrared panel was to go down, i still have heating in all other rooms.

    If you provide me your email addresses i will send you an independent report from a German university.

    In the rest of Europe they have been using Infrared heating for sometime especially in Austria where it is the norm. Dont make the mistake of thinking its hype just because its new.

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  • Dominic_Simonnet
    Dominic_Simonnet Posts: 3 Newbie
    Apologies, i was trying to be helpful!
  • lstar337
    lstar337 Posts: 3,441 Forumite
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    Dominic_Simonnet wrote: »
    In answer to your reply..

    Via dust circulation? NO as that is not how infrared heating works, please see wikipedia.
    Try reading my post. This is how you claim convection works.
    Dominic_Simonnet wrote: »
    Cleaning you house has nothing to do with it,....
    Really? How can dust circulate, if it isn't there because you keep a clean house?
    Dominic_Simonnet wrote: »
    We are talking on a micro level and as the convection process rotates the air around the room circulating, it is moving dust and drying out the air, this is why people suffer in central heated rooms.
    Not in our house, we keep it clean. We have GSH, my OH has asthma, and yet doesn't suffer in our house.
    Dominic_Simonnet wrote: »
    Ref your calculations... you state...
    15kWh x 4.5p (for gas) = 67.5p

    5.5kWh x 15p (for electric) = 82.5p

    Correct if we where measuring an electric convection heater against a convection gas heater.. but we are not we are measuring it against infrared, which penetrates your building and thus needs less time ON to keep it at the same temperature.
    Lol, you did the sums not me. I wasn't comparing convection anything.

    You found the kWh totals, all I did was relate them to the cost of Gas and Electric per kWh.

    No comparison of convection or radiant heat.
    Dominic_Simonnet wrote: »
    If you provide me your email addresses i will send you an independent report from a German university.
    The same one that writes reports for snake oil heaters?
    Dominic_Simonnet wrote: »
    In the rest of Europe they have been using Infrared heating for sometime
    The rest of Europe where gas prices are much higher?
  • Andy_WSM
    Andy_WSM Posts: 2,217 Forumite
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    I prefer those Custard filled heaters sprinkled with fairy dust. Far more "efficient".
  • Cardew
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    Dominic_Simonnet wrote: »

    If you provide me your email addresses i will send you an independent report from a German university.

    Just give the link to the report in this thread!

    Below quote from your website:
    5-6 hours on time for 24 hours heating due to mass heating not air.

    •50% to 70% electrical bill savings, and we have had cases of 78% over oil boilers
    .

    Why not get the Energy Saving Trust or WHICH to support your claims?
  • lstar337
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    Cardew wrote: »
    Why not get the Energy Saving Trust or WHICH to support your claims?
    Good point.

    Get them to do some real-world testing and see if they agree. Since you believe you are right, it'll be another feather in your cap.
  • Cardew
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    The trouble with 'independent reports' is they can commissioned by the manufacturer; and the body writing the report are under no illusion what 'conclusion' is required. At various times on MSE we have had highly technical reports from various countries that when read thoroughly are absolutely meaningless.

    Our salesperson wrote the following:
    INfrared was first commercially used to dry the paint on tanks in the war, as conventional methods was taking to long and we needed to get the tanks out on the battlefield.

    Very probably true!

    My grandparents, in a house without central heating, had an infrared heater 'aimed' at the toilet seat. Several people I know have an infrared heater 'aimed' at themselves when sitting at a bench in an unheated garage; but the rest of the garage is b****y freezing.

    However any form of electrical heater*(including infrared) produces the same amount of heat for the same power consumed.

    * A heat pump is not an electrical heater - it is an appliance for transferring heat from outside the property to the inside.
  • Richie-from-the-Boro
    Richie-from-the-Boro Posts: 6,945 Forumite
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    - essentially scraping leads for sales men to chase up
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    I've read and responded to that report somewhere on MSE before, as Cardew said - wanna know how independent an independent report is - ask who paid the piper !
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  • tonyE1
    tonyE1 Posts: 59 Forumite
    Can anyone give the details of somewhere with a showroom that sells panels in the London area please?

    I may go down this route and would like to physically see them before purchasing.
  • Richie-from-the-Boro
    Richie-from-the-Boro Posts: 6,945 Forumite
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    Yes we met once before ..................

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