Getting a job after dismissal

chipmoon · 22 July 2009 at 6:53PM

Well I have learnt my lesson from this and will obviously be putting the right person down from now on. In fact I will triple check my forms before submitting for future reference.

The issues with my manager wasn't to do with my work, as I say I am an excellent worker. It were personal reasons - she didn't like that I stood up to her when she was doing wrong or when she saw people doing wrong and she used to let them get away with it. She also made comments that I was too young to be in the position I am in etc etc. The issues I had with her is because she wouldn't be a manager and just someone who would come in enjoy life and go home. She used work time to make personal phone calls as well as other perosnal things such as shopping etc - of course I'm not going to sit there and take that happening while I'm actually working and she didn't like that I didn't let her get away with it. And I guess that lead me to putting the other one down as my line manager. Because she gave me that support.

Horace · 22 July 2009 at 8:54PM

I can see your problem - basically you didnt get on with your actual line manager due to a personality clash (that's the polite way of putting it). Maybe you should be honest and say that you were scared of this manager which is why you put the details of the other manager down as she also knows your work as you have worked with her in the past (I am assuming that you have worked with her?)

There is no need to stay on JSA for ever either because if you are a clever person (you must be with a degree) then there is no reason why you can't set up your own business. Well done on getting 58% in your re-sit anyway. Invigilators can be scary when they walk up and down (I have invigilated before and it is one way of staving off sleep:D).

patman99 · 22 July 2009 at 9:22PM

If you have a problem with your line manager, just remember this, They CAN'T give you a bad reference. All they can do is state the truth, if they don't, then you can sue them for 'false information likely to prevent you from future employment'.
Anyway, be truthful with your current employers. Tell them about the 'problematic' line manager. Once they know the truth, it may change their final punishment.

SomeBozo · 22 July 2009 at 10:05PM

patman99 wrote: »

If you have a problem with your line manager, just remember this, They CAN'T give you a bad reference. All they can do is state the truth

They can write what they like as long as its true, and can be backed up.

So in this case the OP can get a reference like "X was dismissed due to providing false information on their line manager".

Both true and "bad".

Bozo

chipmoon · 22 July 2009 at 10:15PM

Thanks Horace (once again) and patman99. I wish I knew all of this before I went ahead and put the other one down.

I don't think they will be that easy going on me and will probably end up with dismissal. If they let me get away with it, people will say its favouritism but I honestly don't think I did anything absolutley awful. I didn't steal or affect the business in anyway. I've always put the business before my personal circumstances and have done so much to improve it. Okay I know it was wrong of me not to put down my real line manager but with the way my relationship was with her, I didn't think she would give me a justifiable reference.

I really wish I knew this at the time of applying that this would be considered falsifying information. I wouldn't have dared put the other one down and now I'm facing dismissal with possible prospects of not getting a good job ever again or having a career.

patman99 · 22 July 2009 at 10:31PM

'Horace', I was referring to chipmoon's previous employer, with whom s/he had a line manager problem. Of course their current employer can state that they were dismissed for falsifying information.

reheat · 23 July 2009 at 12:39AM

Well, I don't think I can offer any better help than already offered re getting your next job.

My advice would be for you to look beyond this, even at this stage. In a few years time you need to be able to demonstrate a past history which demonstrates your lying and cheating days are behind you (no point pulling punches here - it's what employers will be thinking). And I think that will be important for you too ... if you don't work for that goal and stick to it you will be lost. Behavioural traits are judged - by all of us - very much on habitual behaviour. If in the future you can demonstrate habitual honesty and integrity, your current misdemeanors will more likely be dismissed as glitchy behaviour you've learnt from and moved on from - you will be seen as a stronger and better person for it ... but you have to stay clean from here on!

And it's only a hunch, but if you buy into that goal now and commit to it, it may just help you come across better when going for jobs at the moment. Mindset counts for a lot.

All the best with it.

reheat · 23 July 2009 at 12:44AM

chipmoon wrote: »

The issues with my manager wasn't to do with my work, as I say I am an excellent worker. It were personal reasons - she didn't like that I stood up to her when she was doing wrong or when she saw people doing wrong and she used to let them get away with it. She also made comments that I was too young to be in the position I am in etc etc. The issues I had with her is because she wouldn't be a manager and just someone who would come in enjoy life and go home. She used work time to make personal phone calls as well as other perosnal things such as shopping etc - of course I'm not going to sit there and take that happening while I'm actually working and she didn't like that I didn't let her get away with it. And I guess that lead me to putting the other one down as my line manager. Because she gave me that support.

Sorry chipmoon but I genuinely do have to ask you this. Is what you are saying here 100% true?

chipmoon · 23 July 2009 at 9:22AM

Yes it is, reheat and it was known by management that there were strong area of management needs there. You need to meet her yourself and work with her and then you'll see what I mean. If you saw what I have endured while in that work place, you wouldn't think it was a workplace but a school playground. I can sit here all day saying what she did and didn't do and she gets away with it because she always blags things off or gets others to do her work for her.

And thank you for your previous comment - trust me, I've really learnt a lesson. The new job was a promotion for me, I no longer have that anymore. I won't be lying in anything ever again. This job was the second job I have ever applied for asking for references, the first being 7 years ago. As such, I didn't really think things like that matter. If I knew back then what I know now then I wouldn't have done what I did and it is definitely a learning curve that I have reflected on.

reheat · 23 July 2009 at 12:23PM

chipmoon wrote: »

... she gets away with it because she always blags things off or gets others to do her work for her.

Oh yes ... I've met the type :rolleyes:

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