CopyOp Social Trading

Has anyone had any experience of using Copyop. I've found a few reviews but I'm never sure if these are genuine or not.

It is described as a is a full fledged social trading platform for binary options and as I understand it, it works by members watching and copying other members (the more successful ones) trades.

It seems quite attractive as it is free to join and you can spend time just watching before actually doing any trading.
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  • JimmyTheWig
    JimmyTheWig Posts: 12,199 Forumite
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    martin907 wrote: »
    I've found a few reviews but I'm never sure if these are genuine or not.
    Always hard to know, isn't it.
    Like knowing if a poster who comes on to this forum just once a year is posting about their own business or not.
  • fwor
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    I know nothing specifically about Copyop, but looking at the type of "social trading" system in general, the typical model is that they lure you in with "free" trades and promotions, make it look like you're making loads of gains and then make it very, very hard to ever get your money back out.

    Don't believe any of the reviews that you will find with a quick Google search - I don't know specifically about Copyop, but companies of that type generally put a lot of work into making sure their own "review" sites appear way higher in search engines than any real user experiences are likely to be.

    Here's a great example: there is a site at copyopreview.com which purports to be a review by someone who uses Copyop and thinks (surprisingly) that it's great. It makes you wonder - what sort of ordinary, unbiased customer would go to the trouble of registering a website just to tell everyone how great a product is?

    If you were a suspicious person you might think that this is a fake "personal review" planted by Copyop themselves and, if so, that they might also be behind other, more subtle, fake reviews.
  • fwor
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    edited 23 February 2015 at 6:02PM
    Just had a quick check of their T&C's - they are registered and "regulated" by Cysec in Cyprus - which last time I looked meant they are not really regulated at all.

    I know nothing about Copyop, but similar operations run under the same regulatory scheme have in the past turned out to be outright scams which nobody ever gets any money back out of.

    [Edit - just looked a bit further at the T&C's and, although I know nothing about Copyop, it looks as dodgy as **** to me.]
  • antrobus
    antrobus Posts: 17,386 Forumite
    martin907 wrote: »
    ....It is described as a is a full fledged social trading platform for binary options....

    As I understand it, a binary option is a type of option where there are two possible outcomes; either you are right and you get some money, or you are wrong, and you don't.

    Ordinary people just call this sort of thing 'placing a bet'. If you have some kind of knowledge and experience of the kind of thing you are betting on, then you might be able to make a few quir. Otherwise, it's just another way of losing money.
  • bowlhead99
    bowlhead99 Posts: 12,295 Forumite
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    There can be something to be said for all teaming up socially to follow the herd, as tracking momentum -which you are partly sustaining yourself - can be a self-fulfilling prophecy in some types of markets.

    The problem however with blindly following a trading/betting pattern set by others is that they are playing with very different amounts of capital or may even be a 'bot' set up by the system to encourage participation with a monstrous tolerance for risk and a large amount of churn to allow the 'spread' to be taken on higher frequency trades than you would have placed yourself.

    You may think that someone with £200000 of capital can still be 'followed' by scaling down the bet size and just doing £2000.00 yourself. He takes a £10,000 position and you follow the strategy investing £100 yourself.

    However, what if he takes a £900 position and you can't follow because the minimum deal size is £1 not £0.90. You would have to just pass on the investment (which might be the one that makes a great return to bail out the other bad deals). Or alternatively go in for a full £1 and then you can no longer make the 1999.10 deal that he makes next.

    Or for example the trader you're following sets up a trading pattern deploying £19,900 of his £20000. You follow suit with £1990 of your £2000. Then all of a sudden the member you are watching and following gets instantly wiped out at a stoploss and he instantly adds £40,000 to his account and invests £39800 to double up. You did not see that coming and so are not expecting to need to find £4k to instantly top up your account and go back in.

    So the risk of ruin from poor money management is astronomical when you are following someone else. And following them without investing / betting is just getting ideas, it is not actual 'learning'. The learning comes from making expensive mistakes.

    On that sort of a platform, the popular people with all the followers are either the ones that appear to take high risks and win big, or those taking modest risks to grind out small wins with a high proportion of wins but low overall profit.

    The first is par for the course, big risks can be big wins or big losses followed by re-registration with a new username that doesn't have a history of losses. You don't need to 'follow' them to be able to make crazy trades and cross your fingers for luck. You might as well go to the casino.

    The other type, 'slow and steady' sounds good right? But any chump can make money on most of their trades. It would be like betting on a roulette wheel and saying you will bet £10 on the first third of the board and £10 on the last third of the board. About two thirds of the time you will win £30 for your £20 investment. But a third of the time you will lose £20 and win nothing when it lands on the middle of the board. It is not a winning formula even though it will seem to win most of the time and you can have a long lucky streak where you have both a high win percentage and an overall profit. At the time you jump in to auto-copy future trades, it can turn unlucky.

    So, whether or not a specific, lightly-regulated 'social trade-sharing website' turns out to be an outright scam or not, there is little value in signing up to copy the actions of others. An accident waiting to happen. Just copying someone else (especially if here is any delay before a trade is booked) doesn't work.
  • I've been playing Copyop for two and a half weeks. Started with £300 and am now down to £22.50 Basically it's just a fun way of losing money gradually. It's akin to spinning a coin in as much as you punt on whether an asset goes up or down within the hour. Only difference is your chances aren't 50/50 so in the long run you will lose. Having said that, it is fun and when you have a good winning streak you feel like a trading genius. Just remember this is not trading or investing. It's gambling and like all gambling the odds favour the house.
  • Binary Options have been discussed on here several times in the past, and the advice is always to leave them to the experts and the professionals.
    Who having known the diamond will concern himself with glass?

    Rudyard Kipling


  • Porcupine
    Porcupine Posts: 682 Forumite
    As for copyopreview.com, there's definitely something fishy going on there. The same Romanian person has registered quite a few other sites containing reviews of financial providers, in Germany and elsewhere.
  • Copyop is just a gimmick. Anything offered by a binary options broker themselves cannot be trusted as there is a HUGE conflict of interest. This is discussed on the BinaryOptions.net forum in the Copyop discussion thread. I cannot link to it as this is my first post.
  • do anyone know from which country you have to be from to trade with copyop? I tried loggin in from canada, usa, united kingdom and cyprus ( I saw in this forum that it was registered there) but I always get the same msg that I'm not in a country that they accept trading.

    Thank you,
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