Living on own land

AdrianC · 16 August 2017 at 1:12PM

bertiewhite wrote: »

It does seem strange (or "nanny-state") that people cannot decide how and where they want to live on their own land, especially in an existing building.

Not at all.

We've recently had a situation in our village where somebody bought a plot of agricultural land - <1 acre - and hacked down part of a long-established hedge to move a shed of a mobile home onto the land, insistent that he was going to be living on the plot. By your logic, there's nothing whatsoever wrong with that.

The people whose homes he was next to would definitely disagree - as would all those who've spent the last year or two working on the village Neighbourhood Development Plan, identifying acceptable sites in the village for residential development, and getting it through a local referendum.

If you find that acceptable, then where to stop with random, unrestricted residential development?

Surely it's better than having people homeless, living in a box on the streets?

That's the only other option, is it?

moneyistooshorttomention · 16 August 2017 at 2:08PM

...and I must say I sympathise with OP - as logic would dictate "My land - so I can do what I please on it" - but that's what happens in an overcrowded country and we do need to be protected from over-development.

(so unless you're in a very small select group of people that can get planning permission in their "local" locality that others wouldnt get for the exact same house in the exact same location - and so they've got a local Councillor to tell the Council why they personally are "special" and they get rules bent and they're given it :cool: - then that's how things are in Britain).

spadoosh · 16 August 2017 at 2:16PM

AdrianC wrote: »

At which point, you own 13 plots of land. The original one plot no longer exists. You've just incurred fairly substantial legal fees. cheaper than buying land with planning

At which point, you own no land.
Well, actually, you DO still own 13 plots, because you have 100% shareholding and control over those companies. You're incurring 13 x annual company costs, as well as tax on the rental income.
cheaper than buying land with planning, how much tax do you pay on £1 annual rent?

Related person transaction. Proper problem,
wasnt aware of this, give me some time to work around it

So you're dragging your caravan around the plot every four weeks. Even in the depths of winter, when the ground may well be waterlogged. What are you doing for water/power/drainage, btw? A 100m hose and a 100m EHU, chemical waste disposal

Except you haven't, have you? You've not lived on any one plot for more than 28 days... Remember, that original plot is now 13 plots. O no, you only move on when youre told to.
SO the reality is you will be on one plot most of the time.
Once people realise when they complain youll only move to the next plot theyll probably stop complaining and thus you can stay on one (small) plot for the 10 years, after everyone has stopped complaining.

I think I've seen sieves with fewer holes.

Apart from the related person transaction, ive patched it all up for you. Whats the craicc with related person transaction, never heard of it before?

My parent owns a business and rents a property to the business. That rent is probably below market value, im assuming its all above board considering the accountant ticks it off every year? Is that not the same thing more or less?

bertiewhite · 16 August 2017 at 2:19PM

AdrianC wrote: »

Not at all.

We've recently had a situation in our village where somebody bought a plot of agricultural land - <1 acre - and hacked down part of a long-established hedge to move a shed of a mobile home onto the land, insistent that he was going to be living on the plot. By your logic, there's nothing whatsoever wrong with that.

No, I'm talking more about the example I gave - the garage was already there and all the owner wanted to do was keep his daughter in it instead of his car.

Davesnave · 16 August 2017 at 2:32PM

bertiewhite wrote: »

No, I'm talking more about the example I gave - the garage was already there and all the owner wanted to do was keep his daughter in it instead of his car.

Then maybe he should have converted it properly, as I converted mine, making it into a better insulated space than the house.

Of course that did cost more, both in monetary terms and in the effort that had to be expended to make an originally thin-skinned building comply with modern regs.

Perfectly do-able. I wouldn't have wanted my daughter to stay in the original building either.

bertiewhite · 16 August 2017 at 2:40PM

Davesnave wrote: »

Then maybe he should have converted it properly, as I converted mine, making it into a better insulated space than the house.

Of course that did cost more, both in monetary terms and in the effort that had to be expended to make an originally thin-skinned building comply with modern regs.

Perfectly do-able. I wouldn't have wanted my daughter to stay in the original building either.

But his daughter did. I can't remember the exact story but so what if someone wants to live in a garage without complying with building regs? Surely it's only them that's affected by it.

How about someone living in a summerhouse at the end of the garden? What harm is it doing?

AdrianC · 16 August 2017 at 2:42PM

bertiewhite wrote: »

But his daughter did. I can't remember the exact story but so what if someone wants to live in a garage without complying with building regs? Surely it's only them that's affected by it.

Sure it is.

I mean, it's not like anybody's died in unsafe accommodation, is it?

Oh.

Davesnave · 16 August 2017 at 2:52PM

bertiewhite wrote: »

But his daughter did. I can't remember the exact story but so what if someone wants to live in a garage without complying with building regs? Surely it's only them that's affected by it.

How about someone living in a summerhouse at the end of the garden? What harm is it doing?

Well, there are literally billions of people in developing countries who would agree with you, so who am I to argue?

But before you settle for one side of the fence or the other, it might be good to think about where exactly in the UK you'd like the first shanty town to be.

bertiewhite · 16 August 2017 at 3:05PM

AdrianC wrote: »

Sure it is.

I mean, it's not like anybody's died in unsafe accommodation, is it?

Oh.

But the garage wasn't the responsibility of the council, it was private property so why were the council interfering? This is why I am referring to nanny state.

Davesnave wrote: »

Well, there are literally billions of people in developing countries who would agree with you, so who am I to argue?

But before you settle for one side of the fence or the other, it might be good to think about where exactly in the UK you'd like the first shanty town to be.

Why do such dwellings have to be shanty? You might as well stop people living in mobile home parks as well. Come to think of it, why is it ok for people to live in a tent for 2 weeks on holiday when it would be far more comfortable staying in a brick built hotel or B&B?

lincroft1710 · 16 August 2017 at 3:06PM

Davesnave wrote: »

But before you settle for one side of the fence or the other, it might be good to think about where exactly in the UK you'd like the first shanty town to be.

I think it's in Essex - Jaywick

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