Which remortgage rate makes sense?

Hi

I'm about to pick a remortgage product and am looking for a bit of reassurance to check my calculations are correct on a 5 year fix.

Option 1:
Interest Rate: 2.34%
Product Fee: £0
Monthly Payment: £527pm

Option 2:
Interest Rate: 1.99%
Product Fee: £849
Monthly Payment: £504pm

Option 3:
Interest Rate: 1.94%
Product Fee: £1249
Monthly Payment: £527pm


From the calculations I have done ((60months x the monthly payment)+product fee) then Option 2 seems to be the lowest cost overall at £31089 overall. Something seems strange about this as it is the middle rate and fee :) Am I calculating this correctly?

Also, if I choose to add the product fee onto the mortgage, is there a way I can calculate if this will then cost me more overall as this will effectively be longer on the mortgage and additional interest?

Thanks for any help
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  • getmore4less
    getmore4less Posts: 46,882 Forumite
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    Wrong calculation.

    You need to consider how much debt is left after 5 years.

    Lower rates pay off more debt.
  • Neutrinno
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    Wrong calculation.

    You need to consider how much debt is left after 5 years.

    Lower rates pay off more debt.

    (and also factor in the cost of the product?)
    I am a Mortgage Broker.

    You should note that this site doesn't check my status as a Mortgage Adviser, so you need to take my word for it. This signature is here as I follow MSE's Mortgage Adviser Code of Conduct. Any posts on here are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as financial advice.
  • HouseBuyer1
    HouseBuyer1 Posts: 46 Forumite
    Thanks, I knew it didn't feel right. Have double checked and the overall estimated cost of borrowing at the end of the term is lowest with the lowest rate product. Having said that, the middle rate is only £10 more expensive overall.

    Overall cost of borrowing:

    Option 1 - £202,625
    Option 2 - £200,763
    Option 3 - £200, 775

    And again, that isnt including the cost of the product added to the mortgage
  • getmore4less
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    Add the fees make the payments the same and see what's left.

    That will be the closest like for like you can do before you start to factor savings rates for the difference in payments.
  • getmore4less
    getmore4less Posts: 46,882 Forumite
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    on a proper computer so can do the calcs

    With a payment of £527 depending on term thats a mortgage of around £100k(20y) to £165k(40y) £265k(I/O)

    not sure what amount borrowed is or how you got your numbers in the £200k range


    for an intitial estimate the simple calculation is the interest only savings & break even mortgage size over 5years
    fee
    2.34% V £849 1.99% V £1249 1.94%

    give 3 comparisons.

    (£849/5) / 0.0035 = £48,515
    (£1249/5) / 0.0040 = £62,450
    (£400/5) / 0.0005 = 160,000

    anything over around £49k option 2 is best that leave iit between 2&3

    the break even for option 2 and 3 will be around £160k depending on term

    if under £160k then option 2 is the best

    to see how close that gets on repayment terms with a £527 payment over 5y

    £160,000 2.34% £146,329
    £160,849 1.99% £144,445
    £161,249 1.94% £144,484

    that makes sense because on repayment the breakeven goes up from the interest only
  • Thanks so much getmore. Appreciate you taking the time to help calculate that out.

    It's a mortgage of 130k (remaining at the time of remortage) over a term of 28 years. The numbers I referenced in the £200k range was the overall cost of borrowing outlined in the Key Facts for each of the products. Thinking about it though, this would be based on the full 28 year term including switching to the SVR after the 5 year fix would end.

    Based on your calcs, I think option 2 should be the winner then.

    Thanks again
  • amnblog
    amnblog Posts: 12,442 Forumite
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    edited 21 July 2017 at 12:26PM
    80% LTV Barclays 5 year fixed rates.

    On £130,000 fee the 1.99% rate works out favourite mathematically (about £200 in it) - from the 1.94% rate with the fee free rate bringing up the rear.

    Option B is to take the 1.73% (£490 pcm) no fee, tracker now and fix if you need to when rates look like moving.

    Not advice. Just an idea.

    Get some advice if you decide to do this.
    I am a Mortgage Broker

    You should note that this site doesn't check my status as a Mortgage Broker, so you need to take my word for it. This signature is here as I follow MSE's Mortgage Adviser Code of Conduct. Any posts on here are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as financial advice.
  • HouseBuyer1
    HouseBuyer1 Posts: 46 Forumite
    Thanks amn

    I hadn't considered a Tracker - had originally been thinking about Fixed only but will have a look into tracker as well.

    Thanks
  • amnblog
    amnblog Posts: 12,442 Forumite
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    Make sure you get some advice.
    I am a Mortgage Broker

    You should note that this site doesn't check my status as a Mortgage Broker, so you need to take my word for it. This signature is here as I follow MSE's Mortgage Adviser Code of Conduct. Any posts on here are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as financial advice.
  • getmore4less
    getmore4less Posts: 46,882 Forumite
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    edited 22 July 2017 at 9:22PM
    if these are Barclays EMC rate that tracker has 1%ERC attached.

    lost a number crunch of the 2y+2y option and that showed you need rises of 1%+ to be worse off over 4 y against the 5y fix even with the extra fees

    doing the 5y numbers for your £130k. paying £527

    £130,000 2.34% £112,610
    £130,849 1.99% £111,309
    £131,249 1.94% £111,431
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