Posting ESA50, Legal Ramifications. Things you sh...

[Invalidation]

Ive just found that, when an ESA50 is posted, the envelope is opened and then sorted BY THE ROYAL MAIL?
That leaves all your personal and medical details open to anyone. Surely that's a breach of the DP Act?
Secondly, if sending the ESA50 back registered or recorded then it isnt being signed for by at the Royal Mail Center and consequently they are in breach of their original delivery contract.

[zzzLazyDaisy]

I am sorry that you have only just found out about this, but it is old news.

http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com...al-mail-staff/

[schrodie]

It's just another example of how much contempt this government holds sick and disabled people in!

[Invalidation]

Originally Posted by zzzLazyDaisy

I am sorry that you have only just found out about this, but it is old news.

http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com...al-mail-staff/

Only old news if you read that website, but there may be people that dont know this

[miduck]

Originally Posted by Invalidation

Ive just found that, when an ESA50 is posted, the envelope is opened and then sorted BY THE ROYAL MAIL?
That leaves all your personal and medical details open to anyone. Surely that's a breach of the DP Act?
Secondly, if sending the ESA50 back registered or recorded then it isnt being signed for by at the Royal Mail Center and consequently they are in breach of their original delivery contract.

As zzzLazyDaisy states, this is old news.

There is no breach of the DPA, and the contract does not mean that your data is open to anyone, anymore than it is when the post is opened in a DWP post room.

Where a form is sent by Recorded Delivery (Registered no longer exists), it is bulk signed for - one person signs for a number of letters. There is no breach of contract because RM is getting a signature from the recipient.

[miduck]

Originally Posted by schrodie

It's just another example of how much contempt this government holds sick and disabled people in!

Why is it? Do you understand what the arrangement is between RM and the DWP? It appears that you do not.

[Invalidation]

Originally Posted by miduck

As zzzLazyDaisy states, this is old news.

There is no breach of the DPA, and the contract does not mean that your data is open to anyone, anymore than it is when the post is opened in a DWP post room.

I disagree, for many reason. The DWP have the right to open mail addressed to them. RM doesnt

Where a form is sent by Recorded Delivery (Registered no longer exists), it is bulk signed for - one person signs for a number of letters. There is no breach of contract because RM is getting a signature from the recipient.

And you know this for sure....How ?

[Invalidation]

Originally Posted by miduck

Why is it? Do you understand what the arrangement is between RM and the DWP? It appears that you do not.

Then please share your Encyclopaedic knowledge of the agreement with us.
I await with baited breath

[miduck]

Originally Posted by Invalidation

I disagree, for many reason. The DWP have the right to open mail addressed to them. RM doesnt


And you know this for sure....How ?

RM has the delegated authority to open DWP post, in the same way that ATOS does.

When RM open post in their DWP operation, they are doing so as an authorised representative of the DWP, and hence they may sign accordingly.

Originally Posted by Invalidation

Then please share your Encyclopaedic knowledge of the agreement with us.
I await with baited breath

It is on the DWP website - I trust you are capable of looking yourself?

[Invalidation]

Originally Posted by miduck

RM has the delegated authority to open DWP post, in the same way that ATOS does.

When RM open post in their DWP operation, they are doing so as an authorised representative of the DWP, and hence they may sign accordingly.

Please post the relevant details here to support your claims

It is on the DWP website - I trust you are capable of looking yourself?

Well youre the one arguing the toss, YOU post the details to back up your assertions

[miduck]

Originally Posted by Invalidation

Please post the relevant details here to support your claims

Well youre the one arguing the toss, YOU post the details to back up your assertions

So you are incapable of finding the information yourself? Had a feeling that would be the case! Bless you, in that case I shall refer you to the following TTFY FOI request, that covers everything you wish to know:

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reques...ling_contracts

Do let me know if there is anything you don't understand!

[Invalidation]

Originally Posted by miduck

So you are incapable of finding the information yourself? Had a feeling that would be the case! Bless you, in that case I shall refer you to the following TTFY FOI request, that covers everything you wish to know:

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reques...ling_contracts

Do let me know if there is anything you don't understand!

No I was totally able to find it, however when some acknowledged Benefit Basher as yourself claims anything I will disbelieve it until they can back up their claims,

However I still claim there is a breach of the DPA with respect to the medical section of this and will be querying it with my MP

[miduck]

Originally Posted by Invalidation

No I was totally able to find it, however when some acknowledged Benefit Basher as yourself claims anything I will disbelieve it until they can back up their claims,

However I still claim there is a breach of the DPA with respect to the medical section of this and will be querying it with my MP

Acknowledged benefit basher? Not at all dear, I have claimed benefits myself, I simply choose to take a more balanced than zealots such as yourself. It is types like you that give the disabled a bad name - you are obsessive, you take things way too far.

How do you suggest that this contract differs from those of other DWP contractors? Are you now suggesting they are all in breach of the DPA also?

[Invalidation]

Originally Posted by miduck

Acknowledged benefit basher? Not at all dear, I have claimed benefits myself, I simply choose to take a more balanced more zealots such as yourself. It is types like you that give the disabled a bad name - you are obsessive, you take things way too far.

It is Benefit Bashers like yourself that has has driven many many fragile people away from this Forum and on to Forums where they wont be attacked by twisted warped little minds like yourself.. Your vicious uncaring attacks on the disabled are a shame.
It is types like you that give the disabled a bad name - you are obsessive, you take things way too far.
Its pretty obvious why you live on your own.

[mazza111]

From someone who's not a benefit basher. It is indeed old news and crops up every month or 2


ATOS/DWP have delegated RM to be their mail room boys, there are a few big companies use this method. I don't image the mail is opened on the shop floor but in a designated room.

For those of you who are worried regarding this. Posties not only have to follow data protection but also the Official Secrets act.

[pammys]

Originally Posted by mazza111

For those of you who are worried regarding this. Posties not only have to follow data protection but also the Official Secrets act.

Thank you for posting this info... it made me feel a lot better.

Pam

[Parva]

Originally Posted by mazza111

From someone who's not a benefit basher. It is indeed old news and crops up every month or 2


ATOS/DWP have delegated RM to be their mail room boys, there are a few big companies use this method. I don't image the mail is opened on the shop floor but in a designated room.

For those of you who are worried regarding this. Posties not only have to follow data protection but also the Official Secrets act.

Can only agree with this. I was a postie for a while prior to my medical issues and the security is astounding. Forget to deliver one piece of junk mail and get caught with it in your post bag next morning, that's a major warning on the road to dismissal. The rules surrounding disclosing things are incredibly strict (and rightfully should be). I had debtors returning debt letters as 'addressee unknown' and had to return these as undeliverable whilst still posting other items to the same name at the same address.....