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  • pebsham
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    I owed Amex £3600 about 2 years ago and eventually they passed it to adebt collection agency I offered them £2000 and they finally settled on £2100.

    The strange thing was that I never really even had a great problem I was made redundant and had redundancy money and got a new job. I was 4 months behind in my payments and had offered reduced payments etc. I even offered £2500 to Amex as full and final payment but they told me they couldn't do it and passed it on to the agency?????
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  • loobyloo1980
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    Yeah, I def think it's worth a try. Even if there is only an outside chance. You just don't know if you don't ask. I suppose on some they need to way up the current payments against what length of time. Mine are so low at the moment that a fiver a month is hardly a thing, so a lump sum is a good deal. They have no way of knowing that my payments won't reduce from that next month if my circumstances change. That fiver is an increase from £2.32 which I increased myself, coz I knew it was going to take so long to pay, but if I was keeping it strictly to what the CAB calculated the pro rata to be then that is all it would be. I wouldn't notice £2.32 income a month but I would notice £125!!! I'll let you know what they say.
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  • Debt_Free_Chick
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    If you have more than one debt, you have to pro-rata the lump sum and offer all your creditors a FAF. You can't just pick off one debt and deal with that one alone.

    I'm curious though ... if you are on a DMP, how come you have a lump sum to offer as a FAF?
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  • loobyloo1980
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    If you have more than one debt, you have to pro-rata the lump sum and offer all your creditors a FAF. You can't just pick off one debt and deal with that one alone.

    I'm curious though ... if you are on a DMP, how come you have a lump sum to offer as a FAF?

    I don't have a lump sum - I said on previous post that my Nan has offered to help me if this company will accept a low settlement. I'm offering them £125 to settle - which I know is an outside chance at a third of the outstanding balance. £125 wouldn't go far if I was to pro rata it against £4,500 of debt!!! It is just to test the water and see what they say. Believe me if I had a lump sum of money big enough to settle the debts, even if only on FAFS, I wouldn't be on the boards!!! I just want to see what they say that's all.
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  • Debt_Free_Chick
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    You can try it, but I think you should speak to National Debtline first. AFAIK, creditors get very upset if you treat them differently i.e. company B gets nothing and company A gets £125 as FAFS.

    If you read the National Debtline site, they state you should pro-rata the payment - here

    http://www.nationaldebtline.co.uk/england_factsheets/factsheet_24.php3

    Why not call them and see what they say. It's confidential, free advice (they're a charity) and the call is free too! You ought to be aware if there are likely to be any problems doing as you plan, in case you only create more difficulties for yourself.

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  • loobyloo1980
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    You can try it, but I think you should speak to National Debtline first. AFAIK, creditors get very upset if you treat them differently i.e. company B gets nothing and company A gets £125 as FAFS.

    If you read the National Debtline site, they state you should pro-rata the payment - here

    http://www.nationaldebtline.co.uk/england_factsheets/factsheet_24.php3

    Why not call them and see what they say. It's confidential, free advice (they're a charity) and the call is free too! You ought to be aware if there are likely to be any problems doing as you plan, in case you only create more difficulties for yourself.

    0808 808 4000

    I understand what you're saying, but without sounding flippant how would the other creditors know? I'm not attached to a debt management company - it was free advice through CAB and I am now managing my own debts. How would one know what I was paying the other if I didn;t tell them?
    Official DFW Nerd #148 :D
    Debt level @ highest (May 2004): £15000 :eek: Debt level @ August 2006: £9591.53
    Lightbulb moment May 2006 :idea:
  • Malestrom
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    Your credit record will state that the debt has been satisfied, thats how they'll know.
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  • loobyloo1980
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    Ok, that makes sense <why didn't I think of that??> Thanks for clearing that up for me. back to the drawing board.

    Looks like everything is going to have to be looked at again now anyway - just found out today that tax credits have been too high as partner's promo last month has bumped our income over the threshold for WTC and will also lose a lot of CTC. :-(
    Official DFW Nerd #148 :D
    Debt level @ highest (May 2004): £15000 :eek: Debt level @ August 2006: £9591.53
    Lightbulb moment May 2006 :idea:
  • Debt_Free_Chick
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    Loobyloo

    Sorry if it seems like I'm trying your rubbish your ideas .... honest, I'm not. I'm just trying to highlight some possible problems so you can deal with them ahead, or be aware of what might happen.

    Sorry to hear about your WTC & CTC. Keep on at the Inland Revenue ... don't let them overpay you for too long as they will want the total overpayment back at some time in the future. If you know how much you're being overpaid, try to put it in a separate savings account so you have the money when they ask for it. They may let you keep it and deduct the overpayments from future WTC/CTC ... but you'll still need the overpayments to get you through that period.

    We're here to support you :-)
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  • loobyloo1980
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    I don't think that at all debt free chick - I wanted input and advice which is why I posted my idea. You have highlighted something which I didn't think of and that is a bonus. Last thing I want is people getting on my back now for money because of one payment :-)

    As for WTC and CTC, I have declared the change today and been on the benefits board in here moaning. they pointed me in the direction of entitledto.co.uk which suggests that things might not be so bad after all. As long as income doesn't exceed £18k this tax year, CTC stays same and WTC is the only one that will be liable for overpayment - which is much much better.
    Official DFW Nerd #148 :D
    Debt level @ highest (May 2004): £15000 :eek: Debt level @ August 2006: £9591.53
    Lightbulb moment May 2006 :idea:
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